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Posted: 5/12/2024 9:55:03 AM EDT
Crime stats and campus carry with Gun Owners of America's Luis Valdez



Royce & the Cuban Constitutionalist discuss FL Gun Rights

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Campus protests highlight need for campus carry | Opinion - Sun Sentinel

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“At places like Columbia and Yale,” Gov. Ron DeSantis posted on X, “Hamas protesters rule the roost, and the universities are too weak and scared to do anything — even as these mobs harass Jewish students and faculty. If you try that at a Florida university, you are going to be expelled.”

That’s well and good, but expelling students or even having campus police nearby doesn’t necessarily forestall a dangerous situation. What is proven to most effectively prevent threats is the robust presence of the Second Amendment. As such, gun-free zones on Florida’s campuses should be eliminated to empower students with their constitutional rights.

Florida State University, for example, is less than a 10-minute car ride from the Governor’s Mansion. Yet as a former resident of Tallahassee, I can personally attest that the campus is not especially safe.



Luis Valdes is the Florida state director for Gun Owners of America. (courtesy, Luis Valdes)

In 2014, a deranged alumnus shot two students and a library employee in and around FSU’s Strozier Library. One of the victims was a concealed carry-permit holder. However, being in a gun-free zone that day, he was unarmed. Instead of being able to protect himself and others, he was rendered defenseless. He was hit in the leg and the other student was paralyzed by the attacker.

That same year, FSU student Shayna Lopez-Rivas was sexually assaulted on campus. She told the press that, though she had pepper spray and “ran for blue lights,” her attacker had a knife and was “faster, stronger.” Lopez-Rivas added that, with a gun, the outcome would have been different. “The way that I carry it now, I would have been able to prevent what happened to me.”

An armed and well-trained bystander can stop a criminal on the spot. But in order to deter dangerous activity in the first place, criminals need to know that they could face deadly consequences for their actions. Florida needs campus carry, plain and simple.

As a father, I don’t want my little girl to be vulnerable because misguided laws prevent her from protecting herself. As a former police officer, I know that time is of the essence in an emergency situation. Our children can’t wait five to 10 minutes for law enforcement to arrive. Just a few seconds can mean — and have made — the difference between self-defense and assault, rape and even murder.

Right across the border from Tallahassee in Thomasville, Georgia, students at Southern Regional Technical College are permitted to protect themselves by carrying. SRTC is not alone. In 2022, about 150 colleges reported that they allow guns on campus in some capacity.

And because FSU’s campus is sprawling, along with Florida A&M University’s campus bordering FSU, close to half of Tallahassee is a gun-free zone. In fact, FSU’s campus lies right across the street from the Florida State History Museum, which means a Floridian visiting the museum can accidentally cross an invisible line and commit a crime.

Florida students deserve the safest educational environment possible, yet lawmakers refuse to advance legislation that would repeal gun-free zones. DeSantis even refused to use his bully pulpit after Republican House Speaker Paul Renner announced that he and his colleagues had “no appetite” to debate and vote on House Bill 1619, which would have legalized both open carry and campus carry in Florida.

DeSantis regularly proclaims that Florida is the freest state in the nation, but on guns, the facts suggest otherwise. Florida is the only red state that has mandatory waiting periods and laws prohibiting open carry. What’s more, Florida Republicans have undermined the Second Amendment by sponsoring red-flag laws and nixing pro-gun legislation. Notably, John Thrasher fought campus carry legislation both as president of FSU and as a Republican in the Florida Senate.

The 2025 legislative session must prioritize catching up with other parts of the country in the restoration of Second Amendment rights to citizens. With mayhem spreading at colleges and universities from coast to coast, state Rep. Randy Fine, who is currently running for the state Senate, has announced plans to introduce campus carry legislation.

While an encouraging start, the governor’s voice is still needed to rally the countless apathetic lawmakers to advance such pro-gun legislation. The Republicans in Tallahassee should be trying to out-do one another, and they should recognize that liberty and the pursuit of happiness are absolutely contingent upon the capacity to protect one’s own life.

Luis Valdes is the Florida state director for Gun Owners of America, a “no-compromise” grassroots lobbying organization with over 2 million members nationwide. He lives in Brevard County. Follow him @RealFLGunLobby.

Link Posted: 5/13/2024 12:51:25 PM EDT
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Do Campus Protests Highlight the Need for Campus Carry? By Cam Edwards | 11:31 AM | May 13, 2024

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The pro-Palestinian protests that have erupted on many college campuses this spring may soon fade away, thanks (at least in part) to a robust response from law enforcement, but we're likely going to see another round when classes resume in the fall.

In a new column at the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, Gun Owners of America's Florida State Director Luis Valdes writes that the tough talk from Gov. Ron DeSantis warning protesters that they face expulsion if they harass Jewish students or faculty is all well and good, but it doesn't go far enough. Valdes says those subject to harassment or violence deserve the right to protect themselves on campus; something that's currently denied them, at least in the Sunshine State.

As such, gun-free zones on Florida’s campuses should be eliminated to empower students with their constitutional rights.

Florida State University is less than a 10-minute car ride from the Governor’s Mansion. Yet, as a former resident of Tallahassee, I can personally attest that the campus is not especially safe.

In 2014, a deranged alumnus shot two students and a library employee in and around FSU’s Strozier Library. One of the victims was a concealed carry-permit holder. However, being in a gun-free zone that day, he was unarmed. Instead of being able to protect himself and others, he was rendered defenseless. He was hit in the leg and the other student was paralyzed by the attacker.

That same year, FSU student Shayna Lopez-Rivas was sexually assaulted on campus. She told the press that, though she had pepper spray and “ran for blue lights,” her attacker had a knife and was “faster, stronger.” Lopez-Rivas added that, with a gun, the outcome would have been different. “The way that I carry it now, I would have been able to prevent what happened to me.”

An armed, well-trained bystander can stop a criminal on the spot. But to deter dangerous activity, criminals must know that they could face deadly consequences. Florida needs campus carry, plain and simple.


Valdes isn't arguing that campus carry will stop these protests or end the harassment of students and staff members. Clearly that's not the case. We've seen protests at campuses where concealed carry is generally allowed, like the University of Texas-Austin. In fact, one of the protesters who was arrested in Austin is now facing felony charges for carrying on campus without a carry license; which is required for campus carry despite Texas' Constitutional Carry law.

No, Valdes simply believes that the law in Florida is preventing responsible gun owners from being able to protect themselves in dangerous situations; not only protests that might erupt into violence, but other violent crimes that can and have taken place in these "gun-free zones". Valdes is also critical of Gov. Ron DeSantis for not pushing for a campus carry law, and notes that the issue may end up coming before lawmakers despite the governor's silence.

The 2025 legislative session must prioritize catching up with other parts of the country in the restoration of Second Amendment rights. With mayhem spreading on campuses, state Rep. Randy Fine, who’s running for the state Senate, has announced plans to introduce campus carry legislation.

The governor’s voice is still needed to rally the countless apathetic lawmakers to advance such pro-gun legislation. Republicans in Tallahassee should be trying to out-do one another, and should recognize that liberty and the pursuit of happiness are absolutely contingent upon the capacity to protect one’s own life.


Valdes is absolutely right that, given the makeup of the Florida legislature, the state should have adopted campus carry long ago. But will the campus protests increase the odds of a campus carry bill getting signed into law, or will they give lawmakers another excuse to keep campuses off-limits to lawful carry?

We know what the main arguments from opponents will be: the Supreme Court has already said that schools are among a handful of "sensitive places" where concealed carry can ostensibly be banned without violating the Second Amendment, and introducing firearms on campus will only heighten the risk of a shooting during emotionally charged protests.

The counter to the first argument is that even if SCOTUS says guns may be banned in a particular location, that doesn't mean they have to be. The Florida legislature can still decide that the right to keep and bear arms shouldn't be nullified once you set foot on a university campus without running afoul of the Bruen decision.

As for the notion that "adding more guns into the mix" would only increase the dangers on campus, the fact remains that individuals intent on violence don't care about carrying in a "gun-free zone". If they're committed to violent action, a prohibition on lawful carry simply means a more target-rich environment in which to carry out their attacks.

In that sense, campus carry levels the playing field; putting lawfully-armed citizens on the same footing as those who would do them harm. I agree with Valdes that campus carry should be a top priority of Republicans in Florida next session, but it's going to take more than DeSantis's bully pulpit to make it happen.

Both the current House Speaker and Senate President are term-limited and aren't running for re-election, so two major barriers to campus carry (and other pro-2A measures) won't be around next year. If House and Senate Republicans elevate lawmakers who are willing to at least hold up-or-down votes on campus carry, the idea is likely to be enshrined into law. If they stick with squishes for another session, however, the untenable status quo is probably going to remain in place for at least another year, if not longer.
Link Posted: 5/13/2024 9:58:46 PM EDT
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Good stuff.  The colleges will complain and whine and say people are going to get into shootouts over spirited debates about the election of 1828, but all that rubbish happened in Texas during the 2015 session when we got campus carry there, and exactly zero of the doom and gloom predictions actually occurred.

On the topic of campus carry, currently are lawful citizens prohibited from carrying on all college grounds including roads and parking lots and sidewalks, or is it only inside of buildings?

Link Posted: 5/14/2024 6:26:14 AM EDT
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790.115

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.115.html

(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001, including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm:

1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried;

2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or

3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(4); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges.

For the purposes of this section, “school” means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.

PS per case law, a postsecondary school is not a "school district."

That is not legal advise... just sharing what i think i know about the topic, since you asked.
Link Posted: 5/14/2024 7:16:45 AM EDT
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790.115

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.115.html

(2)(a) A person shall not possess any firearm, electric weapon or device, destructive device, or other weapon as defined in s. 790.001, including a razor blade or box cutter, except as authorized in support of school-sanctioned activities, at a school-sponsored event or on the property of any school, school bus, or school bus stop; however, a person may carry a firearm:

1. In a case to a firearms program, class or function which has been approved in advance by the principal or chief administrative officer of the school as a program or class to which firearms could be carried;

2. In a case to a career center having a firearms training range; or

3. In a vehicle pursuant to s. 790.25(4); except that school districts may adopt written and published policies that waive the exception in this subparagraph for purposes of student and campus parking privileges.

For the purposes of this section, "school" means any preschool, elementary school, middle school, junior high school, secondary school, career center, or postsecondary school, whether public or nonpublic.

PS per case law, a postsecondary school is not a "school district."

That is not legal advise... just sharing what i think i know about the topic, since you asked.
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Colleges and Universities are gun-free zones due to 790.06(12)(a)(13):

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm into:

13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;


Link Posted: 5/14/2024 7:18:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1stID:
Good stuff.  The colleges will complain and whine and say people are going to get into shootouts over spirited debates about the election of 1828, but all that rubbish happened in Texas during the 2015 session when we got campus carry there, and exactly zero of the doom and gloom predictions actually occurred.

On the topic of campus carry, currently are lawful citizens prohibited from carrying on all college grounds including roads and parking lots and sidewalks, or is it only inside of buildings?

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Case law has developed that universities and colleges cannot ban students or employees from having a firearm in their vehicle under 790.33.
Link Posted: 5/15/2024 8:51:45 PM EDT
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13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;

The term "facility" is what I've wondered about.  Does that refer to/case law has become buildings, dorm rooms, any sporting arena - basically something built by man?  Such that walking or riding a bike across campus, on either streets or sidewalks while carrying is not illegal, you just can't go inside any structure?

Or has "facility" been appropriated by the education-industrial complex to mean the sidewalks, and dirt paths along Lake Alice on the UF campus, as well?
Link Posted: 5/16/2024 11:02:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1stID:
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;

The term "facility" is what I've wondered about.  Does that refer to/case law has become buildings, dorm rooms, any sporting arena - basically something built by man?  Such that walking or riding a bike across campus, on either streets or sidewalks while carrying is not illegal, you just can't go inside any structure?

Or has "facility" been appropriated by the education-industrial complex to mean the sidewalks, and dirt paths along Lake Alice on the UF campus, as well?
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Their entire property is considered a "facility."
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