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Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: I agree lol I love my dd barrels. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: You guys wouldn't let me in here if I used a 10.3 mk18 barrel would you ? I have one sitting from when I tore mine apart and nothing has interested me enough to use it again yet. I like these though and already have a sandman. 10.3 dd barrel is better than the clone correct one I agree lol I love my dd barrels. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: You guys wouldn't let me in here if I used a 10.3 mk18 barrel would you ? I have one sitting from when I tore mine apart and nothing has interested me enough to use it again yet. I like these though and already have a sandman. 10.3 dd barrel is better than the clone correct one I agree lol I love my dd barrels. I sense as though I've missed something . |
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So I finally got all my parts together to build a pair of Devgru clones and I'm getting ready to do my form 1's. What is the overall length with a SL-K stock? I have my receivers all boxed up ready to get sent out for Cerakoting so I don't want to unbox to figure out to oal. Thanks.
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What buffer are you guys using for both supersonic and subs?
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I use H2 but I think I’ve heard that DEV might use H3.
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"We don't live in a third world country, we can oil our fucking rifle." -John Noveske quoting a friend
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Cross posting this from the 6 arc clone thread because it is relevant here also https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/B110EEF9-9B53-474B-8E6F-38014CAFDE96_jpe-3176071.JPG View Quote What are the specs on the issued Devgru 6mm ARC upper? Is it something you can put together from parts available on the commercial market? Or are parts of it unobtanium? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: What are the specs on the issued Devgru 6mm ARC upper? Is it something you can put together from parts available on the commercial market? Or are parts of it unobtanium? View Quote The Geissele rifle can be done easily. https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/NSWDG-6-ARC-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread-/118-785547/ |
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Does anyone happen to have a Gen 1 lower they'd be willing to part with? I ordered one from Capital Supply and after being lost by the USPS for almost a month it gets here and it's a....Gen 3. Of course they have no more Gen 1s.
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AAC posted on IG they're still getting/qc'ing parts for the m42000s.
"trying to source components that aren't as easy to get as stainless steel plus having the raw materials takes time. With most of the nickel ore that goes into true 718 lnconel coming out of Eastern Europe makes things even more difficult. We apologize but we're not gonna put out a product with sub-par components just to meet a proposed date" |
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“Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key.”
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Threw it together based off a poor quality video . It showed what looks like either a 1-4 or 2.5-10x24 in bridged NF rings along with a Wilcox OASYS mount in front of it. No can, AFG, and what appears to be a m340v but definitely a scout style light. Probably an ngal on the right side of rifle but no way to tell 100%. Also appeared to be a dead air flash hider but I couldn't tell the caliber. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6558_jpeg-3185162.JPG Threw it together based off a poor quality video . It showed what looks like either a 1-4 or 2.5-10x24 in a rings along with a Wilcox OASYS mount in front of it. No can, AFG, and what appears to be a m340v but definitely a scout. Probably an ngal on the right side of rifle but no way to tell 100%. Also appeared to be a dead air flash hider but I couldn't tell the caliber. View Quote Damn it! I am in the process of doing this clone and you beat me to it. I’ll guess I’ll just have to clone the non airsoft version then… |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6558_jpeg-3185162.JPG Threw it together based off a poor quality video . It showed what looks like either a 1-4 or 2.5-10x24 in a rings along with a Wilcox OASYS mount in front of it. No can, AFG, and what appears to be a m340v but definitely a scout. Probably an ngal on the right side of rifle but no way to tell 100%. Also appeared to be a dead air flash hider but I couldn't tell the caliber. View Quote The Wilcox mount would be from a VooDoo. If you’re 100% sure it’s a scout and not the olight, that’d be kinda unique as I believe it’d be the first sighting of a modern SF light on a dev gun since the old 600Bs. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6558_jpeg-3185162.JPG Threw it together based off a poor quality video . It showed what looks like either a 1-4 or 2.5-10x24 in a rings along with a Wilcox OASYS mount in front of it. No can, AFG, and what appears to be a m340v but definitely a scout. Probably an ngal on the right side of rifle but no way to tell 100%. Also appeared to be a dead air flash hider but I couldn't tell the caliber. View Quote Where da vid tho? |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: The Wilcox mount would be from a VooDoo. If you're 100% sure it's a scout and not the olight, that'd be kinda unique as I believe it'd be the first sighting of a modern SF light on a dev gun since the old 600Bs. View Quote I do believe that this photo does show a a scout light with a reptilia mlok body, black vampire head and a pressure switch end cap. Attached File Attached File But then again, we are literally counting pixels at this point and it can just be a case of pareidolia. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Oh god I really hope it's not an olight but it's really hard to tell exactly what it is. I do believe that this photo does show a a scout light with a reptilia mlok body, black vampire head and a pressure switch end cap. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/10154745-AF1A-4E54-96E4-B601E10BF61F_jpe-3185230.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6561_png-3185233.JPG But then again, we are literally counting pixels at this point and it can just be a case of pareidolia. View Quote Looks like a turd |
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"We don't live in a third world country, we can oil our fucking rifle." -John Noveske quoting a friend
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Gen 1 lowers are absolutely cooked right now, people trying to sell them for $400+ stripped. Why did DEVGRU decide to go with a generic milspec lower? I have half a mind to get an unmarked lower and see if someone will just engrave it with the correct markings then cerakote.
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Why did DEVGRU decide to go with a generic milspec lower? View Quote 1. Because part of the solicitation specified forged and the Gen 1 lower was enough to meet that requirement. 2. Because it was also the only lower Noveske had access to in their supply chain (for the quantity) that supports a FA FCG. |
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Originally Posted By TinyCrumb: 1. Because part of the solicitation specified forged and the Gen 1 lower was enough to meet that requirement. 2. Because it was also the only lower Noveske had access to in their supply chain (for the quantity) that supports a FA FCG. View Quote OK that makes sense. I think they should bring that supply back instead of Chainsaws. |
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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: 10.3 dd barrel is better than the clone correct one View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Originally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: You guys wouldn't let me in here if I used a 10.3 mk18 barrel would you ? I have one sitting from when I tore mine apart and nothing has interested me enough to use it again yet. I like these though and already have a sandman. 10.3 dd barrel is better than the clone correct one I wonder about that. The barrel is the most interesting part of the build besides the looks. Why would you use a stainless steel barrel, typically reserved for precision shooting with less expected barrel life, for a 10.5 that is probably going to be mag dumped at 20' if it ever sees actual combat? I assume they're toying with salt water corrosion resistance here, or maybe Noveske SS barrels really have secret sauce for chrome lined levels of barrel life? I wonder how often DG even get in the water these days beyond keeping current on their training. The guys who fell off the ship near Somalia were regular SEALs probably using MK18s. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I wonder about that. The barrel is the most interesting part of the build besides the looks. Why would you use a stainless steel barrel, typically reserved for precision shooting with less expected barrel life, for a 10.5 that is probably going to be mag dumped at 20' if it ever sees actual combat? I assume they're toying with salt water corrosion resistance here, or maybe Noveske SS barrels really have secret sauce for chrome lined levels of barrel life? I wonder how often DG even get in the water these days beyond keeping current on their training. The guys who fell off the ship near Somalia were regular SEALs probably using MK18s. View Quote Attached File |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Barrel life, per the user manual, is 10k rounds. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76E1A7A2-0BFB-4576-962A-8069AD76CD06_jpe-3191937.JPG View Quote Is there a MK18 or URGI user manual that shows barrel life? |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Barrel life, per the user manual, is 10k rounds. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76E1A7A2-0BFB-4576-962A-8069AD76CD06_jpe-3191937.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By medieval_flail: I wonder about that. The barrel is the most interesting part of the build besides the looks. Why would you use a stainless steel barrel, typically reserved for precision shooting with less expected barrel life, for a 10.5 that is probably going to be mag dumped at 20' if it ever sees actual combat? I assume they're toying with salt water corrosion resistance here, or maybe Noveske SS barrels really have secret sauce for chrome lined levels of barrel life? I wonder how often DG even get in the water these days beyond keeping current on their training. The guys who fell off the ship near Somalia were regular SEALs probably using MK18s. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/76E1A7A2-0BFB-4576-962A-8069AD76CD06_jpe-3191937.JPG Big gas port for a 10.5" 5.56. The stainless barrels will wear out with quick tempo semi auto and full auto firing with the rifling literally no longer existing in the barrel at a certain point. I couldn't tell you the exact firing schedule or number of rounds, but it does happen. Seems like they prioritized precision over durability. Your clones probably won't see tons of rounds put them in a short amount of time or 10,000 rounds so it's a non issue for you guys anyway. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: Big gas port for a 10.5" 5.56. The stainless barrels will wear out with quick tempo semi auto and full auto firing with the rifling literally no longer existing in the barrel at a certain point. I couldn't tell you the exact firing schedule or number of rounds, but it does happen. Seems like they prioritized precision over durability. Your clones probably won't see tons of rounds put them in a short amount of time or 10,000 rounds so it's a non issue for you guys anyway. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By pezboytate: Big gas port for a 10.5" 5.56. The stainless barrels will wear out with quick tempo semi auto and full auto firing with the rifling literally no longer existing in the barrel at a certain point. I couldn't tell you the exact firing schedule or number of rounds, but it does happen. Seems like they prioritized precision over durability. Your clones probably won't see tons of rounds put them in a short amount of time or 10,000 rounds so it's a non issue for you guys anyway. You can say the same for any barrel as none are impervious to wear. While we have no idea how Noveske determined the number they gave to DEVGRU for expected parts life or what the "mission critical" data point is, it still implies that the durability of these barrels are being significantly underestimated by a few here. To the point where barrel life won't realistically be a concern more than any other similar setup. Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Is there a MK18 or URGI user manual that shows barrel life? You can find a Crane test of 12600 rounds of m855a1 through multiple mk18s here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/597679b68419c2bc1f2f8ef1/t/598390fdb8a79b354102d3fb/1501794563797/CRANE+Test+Data+Mk18.pdf |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: You can say the same for any barrel as none are impervious to wear. While we have no idea how Noveske determined the number they gave to DEVGRU for expected parts life or what the "mission critical" data point is, it still implies that the durability of these barrels are being significantly underestimated by a few here. To the point where barrel life won't realistically be a concern more than any other similar setup. You can find a Crane test of 12600 rounds of m855a1 through multiple mk18s here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/597679b68419c2bc1f2f8ef1/t/598390fdb8a79b354102d3fb/1501794563797/CRANE+Test+Data+Mk18.pdf View Quote I would assume "Mission Critical" is probably whatever the MOA requirement was for the contract solicitation. I vaguely remember Tinycrumb saying he saw or heard what the accuracy requirement was and stated it was crazy. |
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Originally Posted By pezboytate: Big gas port for a 10.5" 5.56. The stainless barrels will wear out with quick tempo semi auto and full auto firing with the rifling literally no longer existing in the barrel at a certain point. I couldn't tell you the exact firing schedule or number of rounds, but it does happen. Seems like they prioritized precision over durability. Your clones probably won't see tons of rounds put them in a short amount of time or 10,000 rounds so it's a non issue for you guys anyway. View Quote Noveske loves giant ports. |
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Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Reliability…. View Quote You're right. .07 10.3s are known to be unreliable. It's funny all the complaining folks used to do to DD about the .08ish? Ports on the commercial 10.3 barrels. So much so that they finally started making em at the proper .07. But noveske using the same gaping holes and it's "reliability". |
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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: You're right. .07 10.3s are known to be unreliable. It's funny all the complaining folks used to do to DD about the .08ish? Ports on the commercial 10.3 barrels. So much so that they finally started making em at the proper .07. But noveske using the same gaping holes and it's "reliability". View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Reliability . You're right. .07 10.3s are known to be unreliable. It's funny all the complaining folks used to do to DD about the .08ish? Ports on the commercial 10.3 barrels. So much so that they finally started making em at the proper .07. But noveske using the same gaping holes and it's "reliability". Haha I was literally about to respond with that - people used to lose their shit over DD's earlier Mk18 uppers with the larger ports like it was most horrible thing in the world. Then again, I'm not a high volume shooter doing suppressed mag dumps with thousands and thousands of rounds every month. My larger port DD Mk18 upper has been just fine (I don't even recall a single issue with it either) in the almost 10 years I've had it. |
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Originally Posted By M4A1SOPMOD: You're right. .07 10.3s are known to be unreliable. It's funny all the complaining folks used to do to DD about the .08ish? Ports on the commercial 10.3 barrels. So much so that they finally started making em at the proper .07. But noveske using the same gaping holes and its "reliability". View Quote (or at least writing up requirements that called for it) The gapping hole has always been for "reliability". Specifically for the commercial market where the available ammo isn't a constant. |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: You can take it up with DEVGRU for requesting .075. (or at least writing up requirements that called for it) The gapping hole has always been for "reliability". Specifically for the commercial market where the available ammo isn't a constant. View Quote Noveske's theory has always been precision and reliability in adverse conditions. |
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You don't really have to be an operator to comment on gas port size. My 10.3 colt has run suppressed with 5.56 ammo perfectly... hot, dirty, whatever.
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They have B Line lowers on the website, that means they'll still stock them right
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"We don't live in a third world country, we can oil our fucking rifle." -John Noveske quoting a friend
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Same, Chris is a good dude.
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Originally put it on just messing around, but now it's staying on
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That old and new shit….can’t get enough of it.
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally put it on just messing around, but now it's staying on https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6933_jpeg-3199639.JPG At least until I can replace it with a correct optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6934_jpeg-3199642.JPG View Quote Glad you found the 30mm insight mount! Looks dope! |
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Originally Posted By LsuJon: Originally put it on just messing around, but now it's staying on https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6933_jpeg-3199639.JPG At least until I can replace it with a correct optic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/IMG_6934_jpeg-3199642.JPG View Quote Chyea chyea. Should sell me the 34 |
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"A Mk18 is a handgun with a stock"/"10.3 is a 50 yard and in gun" - From SHTF AR Thread
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Gen 1 lowers are absolutely cooked right now, people trying to sell them for $400+ stripped. Why did DEVGRU decide to go with a generic milspec lower? I have half a mind to get an unmarked lower and see if someone will just engrave it with the correct markings then cerakote. View Quote Shit where?? I'd pay $400 hell they cost $200 before they were cool.................................On a side note I picked up a Chainsaw Match set and damn it's so perfect it literally snaps together when you close the upper on the lower. |
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Originally Posted By AWHAILYEAH: Shit where?? I'd pay $400 hell they cost $200 before they were cool.................................On a side note I picked up a Chainsaw Match set and damn it's so perfect it literally snaps together when you close the upper on the lower. View Quote Tacswap has lowers and complete rifles, EE recently although the only listing I see currently is one for $1k stripped (what a deal!) I'm not too read up on AAC but it seems like you can't get their stuff right now. I know some dudes did a group buy but I'm not sure if anything has even been delivered to them yet. So essentially the current 5.56 clone is unobtainable? As for the DA cans I'm real hesitant to drop 1k on something with so much bad press. Be nice if Dev used some stuff that isn't sus. |
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Originally Posted By medieval_flail: Tacswap has lowers and complete rifles, EE recently although the only listing I see currently is one for $1k stripped (what a deal!) I'm not too read up on AAC but it seems like you can't get their stuff right now. I know some dudes did a group buy but I'm not sure if anything has even been delivered to them yet. So essentially the current 5.56 clone is unobtainable? As for the DA cans I'm real hesitant to drop 1k on something with so much bad press. Be nice if Dev used some stuff that isn't sus. View Quote Dev is at the very least, still using the DA training can. From all the clones here, I think the DA can works fine for .300 blk. |
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