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Posted: 12/14/2023 8:39:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: That’s a bigger deal than people understand…there are a number of common flashbangs that contain lead. Try explaining why it’s bad to sweep the shoot house…because the bangs coat everything in lead dust…after you ran through the bang smoke all day. Lead free bangs are about to be a big deal and likely OSHA requirement. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FedDC: That’s a bigger deal than people understand…there are a number of common flashbangs that contain lead. Try explaining why it’s bad to sweep the shoot house…because the bangs coat everything in lead dust…after you ran through the bang smoke all day. Lead free bangs are about to be a big deal and likely OSHA requirement. I think the larger issue is that the shoot houses were built for shit, and have no air handling equipment. The government spends a lot of money like 5million to Iran that makes no sense, but they don't put fans in the shoothouse, at the same time any citizen who builds a range needs to have filters and massive air flow to pass inspection, because the cost reduces the participation in shooting sports, which is something people who are about control want (less participation in shooting sports). The 5 million going to Iran could put HVAC in 10-20 shoot houses. And the money they need for safety should just get re-appropriated from other dumb shit like paying to weld border wall doors open so people can invade the country. Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: You can make something look really flashy if you set your camera up to do so. When the guy shooting is wearing some kind of what look to be tinted lenses, and says "woah" after the big flash, I would assume that means he saw the flash, not just the camera. At least that's the impression the clip puts off. Certainly Surefire shouldn't put out a PSA about an issue if there is no issue. The other guy having great results looks more orchestrated in light of the PSA and the other video to me. It seems like the other guy is saying he's running magtech M193 (which at least in the old surplus variety was bright ammo), and having better results with a short barrel, and it's not totally making sense why the two are having different results unless the newer magtech has a flash retardant, or the suppressor performance is inconsistent from one unit to another. |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 9:58:19 PM EDT
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The internet is a place of drama.
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Posted: 12/14/2023 10:31:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DefenderAO]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marinc: What rifle setup and ammo? for the RC2 and the M4SD-K? 10.5" carbine gas RC2 11.5 carbine gas M4SDK Not the same hosts, but the they were not comparable even with the slight host differences. The RC was solid for sure. I wouldn't touch an RC3 for 1700.00 with worse performance then an RC2 with flash and sound |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 10:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: The internet is a place of drama. Tell us more about what we see in the video |
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Posted: 12/14/2023 11:14:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DefenderAO: 10.5" carbine gas RC2 11.5 carbine gas M4SDK Not the same hosts, but the they were not comparable even with the slight host differences. The RC was solid for sure. I wouldn't touch an RC3 for 1700.00 with worse performance then. an RC2 with flash and sound My RC2 is brand new- like about 40-60 rounds fired, and if I run our 5.56mm tube over cans next to it, the RC2 sounds more harsh. It puts up competitive numbers on a sound meter, but it does sound more harsh, and I had several people present when we fired them together on 11.5's, and everyone said the RC2 sounded louder. It's not a terrific difference like hux vs __ but it's there and obvious. The RC2 is a good can though, and from what I've seen of the RC3, it seems like there isn't a super compelling reason to go with the RC3 over an RC2. For the money you are getting more performance per dollar on the RC2. There is a lot of flow through marketing out there though, and the FBI was using RC2's before the Flow 556K, for example, so Surefire had a reason to do some work and develop something flow through, and it seems like they developed a decent flow through can, that with the right mount will outperform a Flow 556K even in flash, but at a longer length and heavier weight, and at a higher cost. To use the FBI as a metric though isn't great. They bought 10mm subguns, and did 40 cal pistols, and went back to 1911's and I like 1911's a lot (more like art history and soul) but Glock 17's are better duty pistols- lighter with more rounds on tap, highly functionally accurate. The FBI does fad stuff, and they change their minds often. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:42:51 PM EDT
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Some shooting footage with the RC3, RC2, SBS, Velos, Mini2, and the little KAC peanut, including at night unaided and with NV (and full auto):
 The Surefire RC3 Chat video ft. Velos , RC2 ,SB2 , HUX , KAC PRT and THE CHOSEN ONE. (Not me/my video.) |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 1:22:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: Some shooting footage with the RC3, RC2, SBS, Velos, Mini2, and the little KAC peanut, including at night unaided and with NV (and full auto):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldKqcVRfQVw(Not me/my video.) I watched that right after it came out. I found the Velo tone change from ASR to Rearden interesting. I've converted my Saker 556 to Rearden and didn't notice much. On the RC3, it looked like it performed about the same for flash. I would like to know the exact conditions that lead to the flamethrower picture. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 1:49:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1Lou: I watched that right after it came out. I found the Velo tone change from ASR to Rearden interesting. I've converted my Saker 556 to Rearden and didn't notice much. On the RC3, it looked like it performed about the same for flash. I would like to know the exact conditions that lead to the flamethrower picture. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:03:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Diesel1979]
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Curious what the brake would do on a RC3. I would have to assume just as bad. I run brakes with all my RC2’s on MK18’s and an 16” gun and they seem to perform pretty well, however, I don’t do a lot of shooting in the dark.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 9:27:49 AM EDT
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Per surefire a brake would compromise RC3 flash performance. With the exception of mounting and cosmetics RC2 cannot be compared to RC3.
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Posted: 12/16/2023 12:17:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Diesel1979: Curious what the brake would do on a RC3. I would have to assume just as bad. I run brakes with all my RC2's on MK18's and an 16" gun and they seem to perform pretty well, however, I don't do a lot of shooting in the dark. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 12:43:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Diesel1979]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: There's a video of it in this thread. I will have to go back and look, I only saw videos with the different flash hiders. I must’ve missed it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 2:05:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: Some shooting footage with the RC3, RC2, SBS, Velos, Mini2, and the little KAC peanut, including at night unaided and with NV (and full auto): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldKqcVRfQVw(Not me/my video.) The prt did really well in night flash for a short can, and the RC3 had what appeared to be foot long muzzle flash that wasn’t terribly bright but it wasn’t anything like the launch video with the premium black hills ammo. The velos is kind of enormous and it appeared to have the best night flash of the cans tested. It was interesting how on night vision the cans looked pretty similar, and only the mini really stood out as brighter than most. White phos nvg’s really bring out the muzzle flash. Working gun or not, if he’s going to shoot the hux in the day portion it would have been better for him to shoot it at night at least a couple times for comparison sake. |
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Posted: 12/16/2023 10:03:46 PM EDT
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Does anyone know when the FDE RC3 will be available?
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Posted: 12/18/2023 12:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By P229SAS: Does anyone know when the FDE RC3 will be available? I have seen some people mentioning them as being in stock in various places, but I could never find one. If all else fails Capital Armory will refinish cerakote them for $100. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 7:22:54 PM EDT
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Another flash demo vid focusing on brake performance, using a 12.5" shooting PMC:
 USING THE RC3 WITH A MUZZLE BREAK + SEEING FLASH SUPPRESSION I'm grateful of everyone that scrambled to get this kind of flash demo/footage for this new and anticipated product, and I wish these kinds of videos with other products were made more frequently. |
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Posted: 12/18/2023 7:29:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
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The Surefire RC3 Chat video ft. Velos , RC2 ,SB2 , HUX , KAC PRT and THE CHOSEN ONE. I like how frank this guy is when talking about suppressors. Originally Posted By DDS87: Another flash demo vid focusing on brake performance, using a 12.5" shooting PMC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABA77YA3Yg4 I'm grateful of everyone that scrambled to get this kind of flash demo/footage for this new and anticipated product, and I wish these kinds of videos with other products were made more frequently. Yah, honestly that looks fantastic. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:39:27 PM EDT
[#18]
 Suppressor Stuff Ep 3 - Surefire SOCOM556-RC3: Backpressure & Flash Test |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 8:55:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOoof, definitely tell it wasn't meant for the M249. I'm impressed it seemed to heat up worse than other cans as well, maybe that's why they went 100% Inconel. |
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Posted: 1/10/2024 10:16:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2024 12:12:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DDS87]
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New one from Ike/Big Tex, muzzle device and different ammo combinations on 12.5" uppers, RC2 vs RC3:
 Surefire RC3 Flash Test : Part 2 |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 9:23:43 AM EDT
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The BTO video was good. It also showed just how much gas leaked from the muzzle device without the labyrinth seal.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 2:57:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
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Man I'm glad the RC3 came out and had such a big controversy, everyone and their mother is now trying to develop a controlled flash testing algorithm. Surefire accidently innovating in the suppressor market
 The one thing I have learned from of this is that most silencers, despite the fussing and anecdotal evidence, are all pretty similar in their flash performance. And we have learned that Flow through has advanced a lot in their flash mitigation capabilities to be damn near (or better) than some traditional cans. I will never give up my traditional cans, but it is looking like it will be difficult to justify their purchase in the future with flow through stepping up their game. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 3:11:35 PM EDT
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Now just need RC3 prices to be a little more in line with RC2’s. Maybe 100-150 more. :). For now I’ll just keep blasting away with my RC2’s.
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Posted: 1/11/2024 9:42:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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https://www.reddit.com/r/RooftopDefenders/comments/193eo6e/the_first_wave_of_suppressor_testing_is_here/
The ROF testing was interesting and proved that the RC3 is competitive in that metric. It was I believe relevant that some of the cans glow like a lightbulb inside the 100 rds where others did not. The RC3 had possibly the worst light emission from the tube of the tested cans. The KAC can looked like it had the best combination of flash reduction, light emission (lack thereof), and low cyclic rate. The Sierra 5 had the most cyclic increase of the tested cans at 17.8%, but it did well in light emission through the tube. In our testing our most recent cans have ~11% cyclic increase on 11.5" DI M16's, which is lower than the RC2 and Sierra 5 in the above test, but not on the same platform so hard to compare from that perspective. |
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Posted: 1/11/2024 11:48:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: https://www.reddit.com/r/RooftopDefenders/comments/193eo6e/the_first_wave_of_suppressor_testing_is_here/ The ROF testing was interesting and proved that the RC3 is competitive in that metric. It was I believe relevant that some of the cans glow like a lightbulb inside the 100 rds where others did not. The RC3 had possibly the worst light emission from the tube of the tested cans. The KAC can looked like it had the best combination of flash reduction, light emission (lack thereof), and low cyclic rate. The Sierra 5 had the most cyclic increase of the tested cans at 17.8%, but it did well in light emission through the tube. In our testing our most recent cans have ~11% cyclic increase on 11.5" DI M16's, which is lower than the RC2 and Sierra 5 in the above test, but not on the same platform so hard to compare from that perspective. I agree, I was impressed with the KAC for these tests. It showed very little flash and it didn’t seem to get too red-hot on the M249. The Surefire RC3 got crazy red-hot, compared to any of the other suppressors including KAC and Huxwrx |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Man I'm glad the RC3 came out and had such a big controversy, everyone and their mother is now trying to develop a controlled flash testing algorithm. Surefire accidently innovating in the suppressor market The one thing I have learned from of this is that most silencers, despite the fussing and anecdotal evidence, are all pretty similar in their flash performance. And we have learned that Flow through has advanced a lot in their flash mitigation capabilities to be damn near (or better) than some traditional cans. I will never give up my traditional cans, but it is looking like it will be difficult to justify their purchase in the future with flow through stepping up their game. Maybe SF can shift resources to address the carbon locking tendency with their mount. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 12:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Maybe SF can shift resources to address the carbon locking tendency with their mount. The carbon locking nature of the Surefire is an overstated meme regurgitated by non-owners. Knowing what we know, if you willingly use a warcomp then it is user error. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 2:01:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: The carbon locking nature of the Surefire is an overstated meme regurgitated by non-owners. Knowing what we know, if you willingly use a warcomp then it is user error. I've both read about & seen SF cans being carbon locked with the open tine FH. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 2:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: If both read about & seen SF cans being carbon locked with the open tine FH. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:23:03 PM EDT
[#31]
I’ve not used the RCs amongst my three SF cans but carbon locking isn’t a big deal. You can take them off with a hammer and 2x4 or shoot them off.
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Posted: 1/12/2024 4:44:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: If both read about & seen SF cans being carbon locked with the open tine FH. In all my years and time at training courses the only people I have heard complain about the carbon locking are people with warcomps and people who don't own Surefire cans. Damn near everyone who doesn't fall into those two categories never seem to have an issue, including myself. The remaining portion of people who do experience the lock have also been the people I hear bragging, "I'm at 2000+ rounds without cleaning!" which is a prevalent mindset that makes me cringe. Carbon will eventually find itself into threads and locking mechanisms regardless of design and that's just unavoidable physics. Add poor maintenance ethos to your suppressor use and you get people who get carbon locked repeatedly. I have to bust the strap wrench out to get my Flow556K off after a modest 200 rounds, I can't imagine how glued on it would be if I didn't. |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 6:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: In all my years and time at training courses the only people I have heard complain about the carbon locking are people with warcomps and people who don't own Surefire cans. Damn near everyone who doesn't fall into those two categories never seem to have an issue, including myself. The remaining portion of people who do experience the lock have also been the people I hear bragging, "I'm at 2000+ rounds without cleaning!" which is a prevalent mindset that makes me cringe. Carbon will eventually find itself into threads and locking mechanisms regardless of design and that's just unavoidable physics. Add poor maintenance ethos to your suppressor use and you get people who get carbon locked repeatedly. I have to bust the strap wrench out to get my Flow556K off after a modest 200 rounds, I can't imagine how glued on it would be if I didn't. Fair points. How would you rate their QD mount against others? |
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Posted: 1/12/2024 7:24:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Fair points. How would you rate their QD mount against others? Awful, to be honest. It's too heavy in both mechanism and muzzle device and I have had black spots on my hand from carbon leak out of the bottom. Will this increase the chances/rate it would get locked on over other systems? Oh yah and it will be worse compared to some others, but I think its really exaggerated these days. The only benefits is the near removal of PoI shift when removing and reattaching and knowledge it won't be going anywhere. Other systems have done the latter of those two, though, with a lot less mass. Fortunately these two things are on the top of the list of things I am willing to trade for. For me I wish Surefire had decided to forgo backwards compatibility to build a new lighter system, but sadly government contract probably dictated they maintain the old system. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 1:21:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#35]
The surefire mount is imo Ok. I don’t like having to spin the can 360 to dump it in to turn the lock ring, but otherwise it is pretty decent.
One of the issues with developing something pretty great in like 2004, and carrying it forward to 2024 in an improved version is that it won’t be the absolute best in 2024. If you look at mounts from 2004, thats: Ops inc brake and collar, Surefire eccentric locking collar rev1 KAC QDSS gate and redundancy latch AAC 18T Gemtech Bi-Lok YHM ratcheting spring detent ring muzzle device On that list, the nicest mount is probably Ops Inc, but it is the most particular in terms of what barrels it will fit. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 2:54:51 PM EDT
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Regarding RTZ I believe surefire's mount is still among the best today.
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:20:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Awful, to be honest. It's too heavy in both mechanism and muzzle device and I have had black spots on my hand from carbon leak out of the bottom. Will this increase the chances/rate it would get locked on over other systems? Oh yah and it will be worse compared to some others, but I think its really exaggerated these days. The only benefits is the near removal of PoI shift when removing and reattaching and knowledge it won't be going anywhere. Other systems have done the latter of those two, though, with a lot less mass. Fortunately these two things are on the top of the list of things I am willing to trade for. For me I wish Surefire had decided to forgo backwards compatibility to build a new lighter system, but sadly government contract probably dictated they maintain the old system. Doesn't appear to tighten the can down to the mount, rather just locks in through physical interference using the aft vertical shoulder of the muzzle device. As much as I have been disappointed with Dead Air as of late, their KeyMo ensures a tight seal & repeatability, albeit at the cost of ~4 oz of additional weight. No free lunch. |
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Posted: 1/13/2024 11:54:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#38]
If the keymo sealed perfectly, they wouldn’t have a use for 6 or so forwardly ported holes in the newer collars. There is obviously some leaking gas at the three keyways.
Im sure the SF system weighs 3.5 or so ounces to DA’s 5. The SF collar pushes on a side of the rear of the muzzle device, but the mount is hanging in two bores, so it doesn’t get pushed out of alignment beyond whatever small tolerance they provide for the slip fit. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 5:05:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: If the keymo sealed perfectly, they wouldn’t have a use for 6 or so forwardly ported holes in the newer collars. There is obviously some leaking gas at the three keyways. Im sure the SF system weighs 3.5 or so ounces to DA’s 5. The SF collar pushes on a side of the rear of the muzzle device, but the mount is hanging in two bores, so it doesn’t get pushed out of alignment beyond whatever small tolerance they provide for the slip fit. Does KeyMo have a reputation for carbon locking? I hadn't noticed it being a particularly characteristic problem in the case of the Sandman, but there are accounts of it happening at times, which doesn't surprise me. Perhaps the Sierra 5 ports some of the gases back from inside the blast chamber in some fashion to facilitate the collar vents... 
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:11:31 AM EDT
[#40]
Every SureFire can I own lines up perfectly concentric as long as you properly install the muzzle device. DA Keymos….not so much. POI with SF cans is very very little as well, while DA keymos POI is absolutely awful. Things to definitely consider.
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Posted: 1/14/2024 4:10:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Every SureFire can I own lines up perfectly concentric as long as you properly install the muzzle device. DA Keymos….not so much. POI with SF cans is very very little as well, while DA keymos POI is absolutely awful. Things to definitely consider. The mount adapters are made by many suppliers with DA so different levels of quality is possible. The cans themselves may be less straight than Surefire. I sort of feel like the DA can should mount as consistently as SF. AKA the kemo alignment should potentially be good. Surefire is controlling maximum deviation by having the secondary support ring up front, so while the mount is driven by pushing a flange on the collar into the muzzle device on one side, the two diametrical datums dictate how far theangle can be (to a very tiny angle/ essentially aligned). My FA762SS is an example of that. It is pretty straight but not perfect and has a light graze in the .350” tight bore to show for it. .350 at like 9” in front is threading a needle as centerfire cans go. My personal experience with the sandman S was that the mount leaked gas because something from up front was blowing back at me. I think thats what the six cuts in the collar are for- redirecting mount blow/by at the three muzzle device slots in the taper sideways and forward to reduce the user interaction with the leaking gas. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 4:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: The mount adapters are made by many suppliers with DA so different levels of quality is possible. The cans themselves may be less straight than Surefire. I sort of feel like the DA can should mount as consistently as SF. AKA the kemo alignment should potentially be good. Surefire is controlling maximum deviation by having the secondary support ring up front, so while the mount is driven by pushing a flange on the collar into the muzzle device on one side, the two diametrical datums dictate how far theangle can be (to a very tiny angle/ essentially aligned). My FA762SS is an example of that. It is pretty straight but not perfect and has a light graze in the .350” tight bore to show for it. .350 at like 9” in front is threading a needle as centerfire cans go. My personal experience with the sandman S was that the mount leaked gas because something from up front was blowing back at me. I think thats what the six cuts in the collar are for- redirecting mount blow/by at the three muzzle device slots in the taper sideways and forward to reduce the user interaction with the leaking gas. Okay. I was thinking the taper should have sufficient area to provide an adequate seal, but I guess interfacing tolerance between the mount & the muzzle is at play. Guess I just thought the dimensional circumferential differences between them should be negligible, assuming the built-in CNC QC is adequate. |
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Posted: 1/14/2024 9:49:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#43]
The taper has sufficient area, but the three slots cut through it don’t improve or facilitate the seal.
Every shop has different standards. Concentricity on a transfer is determined by jaws which are cut by the settup machinist. They should be checked daily because they can lose accuracy during the run of the job and need to be recut to recover accuracy lost to wear, or clamping a chip. Some shops run two collets, and then there isn’t even a qualifying cut to put the subspindle into coaxiality. There is just an assumption the subspindle is in coaxiality which is actually determined by concrete under the machine that is moving tiny amounts over time, allowing the subspindle to creep away from accuracy. Recommended machine alignment intervals are about 12 months (best practice). With collets the subspindle blind bore is also gettIng filled with chips and coolant over time, and the collets are eating chips between the collet and spindle taper, and clamping on chips there and or between the part and collet, effecting accuracy part to part. You can’t improve consistency by putting even the same code into different machine models or brands. But more likely dealing with different brands, you are talking different code, different workholding, different cutting tool holders and inserts, different machines, different feed rates and stock removal strategies, etc. all the details can effect geometry. At Surefire I would expect a greater consistency of muzzle adapters than from six or eight shops running something else. |
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Posted: 1/17/2024 5:38:51 PM EDT
[#44]
Cool little demonstration, I like that people are making content like this to help people narrow their choices down:
 HK416 + Surefire RC2 v RC3 SOCOM, RECOIL TEST | 9HR |
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Posted: 1/17/2024 8:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: Cool little demonstration, I like that people are making content like this to help people narrow their choices down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K03zaO_1oCgGoing off the ejection pattern the flowthrough of it seems to be pretty solid. I've heard mixed reports that the can was "gassy" but watching this video I can't really see how it would be with a near-neutral ejection. Just waiting for that Mini3 release. |
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Posted: 1/17/2024 9:02:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#46]
Watching the video, in terms of recoil, all that really shows is slower ROF will make the gun more shootable by giving the shooter more time to aim (control) the burst.
The RC3 does look like really low backpressure so the shooters view is clearer, as well as the shooter has more time to drive the burst. |
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Posted: 1/18/2024 4:41:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#47]
I saw 1 SF rep state the current RC3 isn't recommended for barrels under 10.5". They'd have to make a SB version, but there's currently no commitment to making a variant at the moment.
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Posted: 1/18/2024 11:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: I saw 1 SF rep state the current RC3 isn't recommended for barrels under 10.5". They'd have to make a SB version, but there's currently no commitment to making a variant at the moment. I'm sure it has the same restrictions as the SOCOM and RC2 of 10" minimum. I highly doubt it's 10.5" when the DD setups they demonstrated with are 10.3" |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 6:44:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Some unconfirmed rumors have it that a Surefire rep said the Mini3 will probably not be on the market until the end of 2024 instead of this Summer.
Wonder what the delay is caused by if true, maybe having trouble scaling their design down to 5"? |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 8:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: I'm sure it has the same restrictions as the SOCOM and RC2 of 10" minimum. I highly doubt it's 10.5" when the DD setups they demonstrated with are 10.3" There are still 10.3” Mk18s in US .mil use, so quibbling over a quarter inch would be dumb as shit. They will have engineered it to work on a Mk18 10.3” if they did it with 10.5” in mind. I wonder if someone misspoke? I feel lime this conversation happened when the Turbo K was introduced, as well. |
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