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Posted: 4/6/2024 11:31:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: Big-Tex22]
There’s a major shortage of starter pistol blanks for track meets, what would go into loading 32 sw blanks? Need smoke as well as sound for track meets. And the pistol is solid barrel so any sealing would need to be part of the burn I would assume?

I’ve got a Dillon progressive so I could crank out quite a few and these guys are paying ridiculous cash for them if they can even find them. I would assume I could make some money with little liability involved?
Link Posted: 4/6/2024 5:24:26 PM EST
[#1]
From what I’ve seen; they’re probably black powder. Or at least the ones I saw were.
Link Posted: 4/7/2024 1:08:54 AM EST
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Link Posted: 4/7/2024 8:26:50 PM EST
[#3]
Regular small pistol primers work with black powder blanks?
Link Posted: 4/7/2024 9:18:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: FB41] [#4]
I've loaded blanks (.32 and .38) using 3.0 grains of FFFg black powder or BP equivalent like Pyrodex P.

Small pistol primers will set off the powder.

I used a cardboard wad over the powder to keep it tight against the back of the case. You do NOT want the powder loose in the case as with smokeless.
Put a roll crimp on the case and call it good.

I used a single-stage press for this and pushed the wad into the case with a 1/4" dowel rod. I dunno how well a 550 would be suited for doing it- never tried.

EDIT: These dies may be the answer for progressive loading them.
Link Posted: 4/7/2024 10:16:40 PM EST
[#5]
Thanks for the help!

I assume that variances in powder charges wouldn’t be a problem, as there is no actual compression from a bullet present, correct?

Would resizing even be needed?
Link Posted: 4/8/2024 8:29:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Big-Tex22:
Thanks for the help!

I assume that variances in powder charges wouldn’t be a problem, as there is no actual compression from a bullet present, correct?

Would resizing even be needed?
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Need to resize more for the decapping.

Compression IS needed for BP, which is why I push the cardboard wad down onto the powder charge.
Link Posted: 5/4/2024 8:31:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FB41:

Need to resize more for the decapping.

Compression IS needed for BP, which is why I push the cardboard wad down onto the powder charge.
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Does the cardboard burn up instantly pretty much?
Link Posted: 5/4/2024 8:56:37 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/5/2024 6:05:50 PM EST
[#9]
The starter pistol loads I have seen have been blackpowder.   You'll likely do better with a FFFG or FFFg than a coarser "slower" FFG....

If you are reloading these, I'd be careful of a few things...  I'd be strongly tempted to try to clean the fired cases some time soon after firing.  Deprime FIRST, and wash in mild soapy water.  Rinse and dry (NO heat, just dry).  Seat your regular small pistol primers.....

I would NOT repeat NOT use a normal powder dispenser for Black powder.  Its entire possible I'm completely full of bovine excrement, but I "think" regular smokeless powder measures dont play well with BP (?).

Most starter blanks have a really heavy roll crimp.  Lacking a bullet, I'm not sure how well the crimp is straightened out on firing.  And regular pistol dies wont 'iron' out a heavy crimp.  You might need to fabricate some form of tapered expander to iron the crimp out.  I've got a set of cheap taper pin punches.  They are round, and the specific diameter working end then flares to an octagon bar stock handle end.  Find the right punch, saw off most of the working end, leaving a bit of the round stock and taper.  Lube it generously.  This might be your new crimp removal tool, or at least enough to open it up sufficently for the case mouth belling die to work without crushing the case wall....  Its going to take some experimentation.  Youre not loading bullets, but youre going to need case walls sort of straight for wad seating and retention.

I used to make wads for snake shot reloads in .38 and .44.  I'd take one fired case, drill the primer pocket out to about 1/8, or 3/6", and use my case mouth chamfer tool to sharpen the case mouth to a knife edge.  Do the inside only.  Place thin cardboard (cereal box material, etc) on a soft sacrificial surface (corrugated cardboard, soft pine, etc).  Place case mouth down on cardboard.  Give it a smart rap with a small mallet or hammer, use small nail to press out the newly formed cardboard wad by pressing the nail thru the drilled out primer pocket.  You have a ever so slightly oversized wad that should snug fit inside a resized, primed, and charged case.  

BP likes to be compressed, and air spaces over the powder are often regarded as "not good".  I'd scoop powder, pour the charge into the case, and press a small dowel into the case to compress the powder.  I'd seat a cardboard wad firmly down on top of the powder, and roll crimp over.  

If you are careful, these should stand up to normal handling like loading.  If you are concerned with cardboard over wad "loss" with handling, something like a swipe with clear nail polish  on inside of case wall where it meets the wad should keep everything in place nicely...

You're playing a little "off the reservation loading these, but realistically there's no bullet, and there should be extremely limited pressures.  its all noise and smoke, which is the idea.
Link Posted: 5/5/2024 9:04:11 PM EST
[#10]
I guess what I meant to ask was how the cardboard would act with these starter pistols, as most have a solid barrel with no bore.
Link Posted: 5/5/2024 9:16:08 PM EST
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Link Posted: 5/9/2024 1:18:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Big-Tex22:
I guess what I meant to ask was how the cardboard would act with these starter pistols, as most have a solid barrel with no bore.
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@Big-Tex22
In that case, you'll want the dies that create a crimped end so there's no ejecta.
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