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Posted: 3/10/2022 6:39:07 PM EDT
 Attached FileJust need to install the proper locking shoulder. I wonder if it will be loud.  But man, what a handy sized rifle. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 7:07:40 PM EDT
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I love it. I wouldn’t want to stand beside you when you fire it.
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Posted: 3/10/2022 7:31:50 PM EDT
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It's "dirt" nasty..
 not dirty nasty.. dirt nasty badass otherwise. 
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Posted: 3/10/2022 7:33:44 PM EDT
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That makes me feel things, me likey
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Posted: 3/10/2022 7:36:27 PM EDT
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That thing is going to scream? You going to suppress it?
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Posted: 3/10/2022 7:48:11 PM EDT
[#5]
Very nice!
I did a rifle course with a guy who had a Para FAL. One of the first targets was an almost point blank target on cardboard. The muzzle blast from his first round just turned it into confetti.  The rest of us just had to pretend there was a target there
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:22:56 PM EDT
[#6]
Very cool. Back in the day, an associate had a BARK, a BAR cut down to 10-12", that was a BLAST! Have also fired a 10" G3, also an attention getter!
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:37:59 PM EDT
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I love it. So awesome. I have an 18" FAL and would really like to have an SBR FAL. What's the best way to do this? DSA pistol and eform 1?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:39:54 PM EDT
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Put that thing through a chrono. I want to see what kind of velocity you are getting out of that.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:10:55 PM EDT
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And just like that, 2nd round after the short barrel install, broken hammer. Shortest range trip ever.
Was it loud at the indoor range? What??? Can't hear you!  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By writerdeluxe2006: That thing is going to scream? You going to suppress it? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:44:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NWRed]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeWatchdog: Put that thing through a chrono. I want to see what kind of velocity you are getting out of that. @JoeWatchdog it's been done before. https://rifleshooter.com/2016/02/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-short-barrel-length-and-velocity-a-six-inch-308-bolt-gun/  ETA: table for full length barrels , no handy graphic Barrel lengthWinchester 147 FMJIMI Samson 7.62 150 FMJFederal 168 Gold MedalWinchester 180 PP 28 2965 2823 2706 2632 27 2962 2800 2697 2607 26 2955 2801 2673 2597 25 2917 2769 2659 2585 24 2909 2766 2635 2553 23 2877 2744 2618 2553 22 2837 2718 2597 2527 21 2807 2683 2580 2507 20 2804 2679 2565 2478 19 2757 2634 2532 2441 18 2739 2595 2523 2411 17 2707 2577 2481 2401 16.5 2682 2561 2466 2373 AVG velocity loss fps/inch24.622.820.922.5 |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 6:06:21 PM EDT
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Can’t lie… I like it.
Bet it’s loud as fuck though. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:29:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Who made that hammer? The DSA guns they sold to SAN Parks in South Africa had problems over there with their hammers breaking like that.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:43:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Who made that hammer? That's what I'd like to know as well. Do you have any wiggle room in your 922 parts to be able to install an original hammer? |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:49:05 PM EDT
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MIM?
I love the look. I’ve been waiting on my build for six months now. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:36:10 PM EDT
[#16]
I like it.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:41:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Who made that hammer? The DSA guns they sold to SAN Parks in South Africa had problems over there with their hammers breaking like that. As far as I know it was an original Imbel hammer, lower is all original Imbel, but looks MIM to me. Of course the lower was rode hard and put away wet for many many years based on the wear patterns. What's a good replacement? Any tool steel ones available? |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 3:21:39 AM EDT
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My first FAL was a 16" DSA with that horrible DSA brake. That thing set car alarms off at the range.
On a crisp morning me and a friend were the first and only ones at the range. Blam all the dew fell off the tin roof. 
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:08:56 AM EDT
[#19]
I like it!
I've never shot a short 308 with a brake, but all reports (ha) indicate it is brutal; what you are going for My hunting rifle is a 16" 308 with no muzzle device, and recoil and blast isn't all that bad. Have you tried shooting with no brake for curiosities sake? I have a 21" DSA Para that I get an urge to chop every other week or so, but the blast is my main holdup. I am co sidelong a flashcan or similar. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 11:16:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: As far as I know it was an original Imbel hammer, lower is all original Imbel, but looks MIM to me. Of course the lower was rode hard and put away wet for many many years based on the wear patterns. What's a good replacement? Any tool steel ones available? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Who made that hammer? The DSA guns they sold to SAN Parks in South Africa had problems over there with their hammers breaking like that. As far as I know it was an original Imbel hammer, lower is all original Imbel, but looks MIM to me. Of course the lower was rode hard and put away wet for many many years based on the wear patterns. What's a good replacement? Any tool steel ones available? I think the ones at sarco might be. https://www.sarcoinc.com/metric-fal-hammer/ |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 1:04:05 PM EDT
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https://www.gunpartscorp.com/products/1462130
Numrich Gun Parts. Most of their stock is usually Mil-surp. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 4:18:36 PM EDT
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When you sent me that pic the other night I thought.. that thing HAS to be as loud as my old HK51.
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Posted: 3/12/2022 8:16:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seth_Livzz: That's what I'd like to know as well. Do you have any wiggle room in your 922 parts to be able to install an original hammer? He doesn't really need to worry about 922(r). He's not an importer/manufacturer. |
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Posted: 3/12/2022 10:29:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: He doesn't really need to worry about 922(r). He's not an importer/manufacturer. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigstick61: Originally Posted By Seth_Livzz: That's what I'd like to know as well. Do you have any wiggle room in your 922 parts to be able to install an original hammer? He doesn't really need to worry about 922(r). He's not an importer/manufacturer. If he assembled it himself he most certainly needs to worry about 922r. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 4:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By osprey21: When you sent me that pic the other night I thought.. that thing HAS to be as loud as my old HK51. I'm sure it is.... |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 4:15:54 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seth_Livzz: If he assembled it himself he most certainly needs to worry about 922r. I didn't, I just changed out the barrel assy and SBR'ed it. It's a CAI gun. |
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Posted: 3/13/2022 11:02:28 PM EDT
[#27]
I have a friend with an 11" barrel on a SBR FAL. It was fun for the first 50 or so shots and was painful with doubled hearing protection after. He doesn't shoot it much now. I built mine with a 13" barrel. Much easier on the shooter and has enough range to be useful for ME.
Build what makes you happy. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 3:43:27 PM EDT
[#28]
That is beautiful! I've been contemplating such a build myself, but not sure how much it would get used. Have some other SBR projects that need completed first.
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:20:34 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shortround: I have a friend with an 11" barrel on a SBR FAL. It was fun for the first 50 or so shots and was painful with doubled hearing protection after. He doesn't shoot it much now. I built mine with a 13" barrel. Much easier on the shooter and has enough range to be useful for ME. Build what makes you happy. we have the technology  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2022 10:43:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: I didn't, I just changed out the barrel assy and SBR'ed it. It's a CAI gun. Are barrel swaps tricky on these? Special tools required? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 6:15:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tac556]
[#31]
Looks like it would be a handy and enjoyable rifle if you used some sort of regular FH instead of a brake or adding length with the can. Not a fan of brakes myself. My cut down STG is pretty nice compared to a full length STG.
Sucks about the trigger, doesn’t sound like an OEM trigger to do that... I would just slap in any old metric trigger and see how it does. EDIT- just re-read that it is a CAI built gun.... that means it likely has one of their cast US made trigger groups in it. Not known for being very good. You may want to make sure your piston is not a 2 piece Century one as well. |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 8:27:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Teller_Ulam: Are barrel swaps tricky on these? Special tools required? |
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Posted: 3/17/2022 7:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: we have the technology https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/63925/E40DDC5D-E2FA-4E39-8B62-8A7505BB310C_jpe-2316183.JPG That thing is f-in' rad.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:52:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: we have the technology https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/63925/E40DDC5D-E2FA-4E39-8B62-8A7505BB310C_jpe-2316183.JPG I'm feeling kinda funny. What's the info on your suppressor setup? Make? Model? etc. |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:57:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Congratulations! You have taken a 7.62X51 and turned it into a shorter, louder, heavier, more expensive and more brutal 7.62x39mm.
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Posted: 7/1/2022 9:58:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HeavyMetal]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monkey_Wrench: As far as I know it was an original Imbel hammer, lower is all original Imbel, but looks MIM to me. Of course the lower was rode hard and put away wet for many many years based on the wear patterns. What's a good replacement? Any tool steel ones available? The original hammers were sintered. I wonder is excess bolt velocity did it in? |
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Posted: 7/1/2022 10:04:59 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Congratulations! You have taken a 7.62X51 and turned it into a shorter, louder, heavier, more expensive and more brutal 7.62x39mm. Exactly. It's beautiful. |
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Posted: 7/2/2022 10:00:41 AM EDT
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We've got one with the barrel cut to about 14" or so with a long enough (to get it over 16") compensator welded to the barrel.
In the early days of Appleseed when all the manly men with their .30 caliber battle rifles were attending, no one wanted to be around it on the firing line. They'd spread left/right to get away from my son or ask us to move to one end of the line where they could leave a gap between us and them. I realize, at times, that is it pretty loud but if I'm shooting my M1A and concentrating on the targets I don't really notice the concussion/blast from it. When we got it we shot it a lot to make sure it was reliable and accurate and neither of us realized it was going to be objectionable to some center fire rifle shooters on the firing line. Didn't notice it being any noisier than the M1A. I imagine an 11 or 12" will be "somewhat" worse. 
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Posted: 7/2/2022 2:49:34 PM EDT
[#39]
I have one of DSA's original 16" guns. It is a good fun gun and the blast is moderate, sent up. That is as close to SBR as I will ever get.
Having an issue loading a photo. |
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Posted: 7/4/2022 10:57:44 PM EDT
[#40]
Gee and here I thought my 16-in FAL was loud.
 I fucking love it! I think that's a badass rifle you got there OP! |
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Posted: 7/4/2022 11:29:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Bad ass OP.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCIN: Exactly. It's beautiful. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCIN: Originally Posted By HeavyMetal: Congratulations! You have taken a 7.62X51 and turned it into a shorter, louder, heavier, more expensive and more brutal 7.62x39mm. Exactly. It's beautiful. I'm surprised it took that long usually someone is making the 7.62x39 in the first few replies. |
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Posted: 7/4/2022 11:33:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AJ_Dual]
[#42]
I say once you get that hammer sorted out, you don't change anything cosmetic, and name it "Joe".
 My go-to would be an Austrian hammer from Arizona Response Systems. Should be $25. DSA had a bad batch of heat-treat on their hammers around 2010 or so, but who knows how many are still floating around. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:09:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ellenripley]
[#43]
Not sure if you've already suppressed it, but if not, in my experience it's tough to make a short FAL cycle properly using the factory gas plug. Some may work, but there's often too little adjustment to compensate for the increased blowback/pressure and the bolt runs too fast (i.e. even completely open there's not enough gas vented to offset what the can adds to the system).
I ended up going to a 2-plug system and swap it when I swap between can and no-can. I have some experimentation left to do with a hybrid plug I had made, but for now it's a fast enough swap that I don't mind, and I just keep the second plug in the grip storage. Mine is also an 11", fwiw. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:27:20 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: Congratulations! You have taken a 7.62X51 and turned it into a shorter, louder, heavier, more expensive and more brutal 7.62x39mm. you say that like it's a bad thing |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:27:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ellenripley: Not sure if you've already suppressed it, but if not, in my experience it's tough to make a short FAL cycle properly using the factory gas plug. Some may work, but there's often too little adjustment to compensate for the increased blowback/pressure and the bolt runs too fast (i.e. even completely open there's not enough gas vented to offset what the can adds to the system). I ended up going to a 2-plug system and swap it when I swap between can and no-can. I have some experimentation left to do with a hybrid plug I had made, but for now it's a fast enough swap that I don't mind, and I just keep the second plug in the grip storage. Mine is also an 11", fwiw. |
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Posted: 7/5/2022 9:34:04 PM EDT
[#46]
It's beautiful, man.
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Posted: 8/9/2022 9:35:00 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: The original hammers were sintered. I wonder is excess bolt velocity did it in? Had the same thought. My CIA hammer went 14k rounds before letting go. Take the disc sight off and check the size of the gas port...I bet it's huge. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 8:35:21 AM EDT
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I sbr'ed my 8" SA58 when I got it for absolutely no other reason than I could. Impossibly impractical but there you have it, my stupid loud war pig.
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Posted: 9/12/2022 11:26:18 PM EDT
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Welcome to the fold.
 Factory DSA SBR and Rugged Razer |
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