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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:32:02 AM EDT
This would be for a Stribog for close quarter range. Any better options for the price than the SureFire XVL2-IRC? As I understand it, the illuminator on the XVL2-IRC isn’t great for long range, I would only need it for shorter range distances.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:45:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sean124]
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I think the Streamlight VIR II is perfectly acceptable for a PCC and much less expensive.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:48:41 AM EDT
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I've been using a CQBL-1 with an M300V mounted to it for PCC use. A pressure switch that activates both at the same time is required for this.
The mount is made by Unity but has been discontinued. I believe Echo Arms makes something similar now. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:05:44 AM EDT
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My Olight IR laser is over the top powerful and a crazy good deal for the price.
No illuminator though |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:10:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GrinningDag]
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From what I heard the XVL2 has more of a flood affect lighting up a whole room easily but it is short range.
The TLR-VIR II has a higher reach. The only downside is you can only have the infrared light and laser on at the same time. They can't be laser only or infrared LED only. Also no tapeswitch. Holosun also makes a more advance version of the TLR-VIR II called the P.ID. It's Holosun though so you never know what kind of quality to expect. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:18:55 AM EDT
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Tlr VIR 2 is a great close quarters ir device. It's the smallest package and can be set to ir laser+illum, vis light, or off.
This guy concocted some sort of rear battery housing to use a pressure pad but those aren't available commercially i don't think.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:20:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Scoobysmak]
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I just wish I could get the Mil/police version of the XVL2
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Posted: 4/28/2024 2:21:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Daggertt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrinningDag: From what I heard the XVL2 has more of a flood affect lighting up a whole room easily but it is short range. The TLR-VIR II has a higher reach. The only downside is you can only have the infrared light and laser on at the same time. They can't be laser only or infrared LED only. Also no tapeswitch. Holosun also makes a more advance version of the TLR-VIR II called the P.ID. It's Holosun though so you never know what kind of quality to expect. The surefire 400v has a nice, tight beam pattern that reaches out much further than the vir2. But the laser is external from the light housing, making it a lot more bulky. Also from what I've seen, the holosun PID doesn't have an ir illuminator so it's not much of a comparison. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:11:40 AM EDT
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Thanks for the replies.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:27:48 AM EDT
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In my (limited) experience with IR lights and lasers at close range I have found that is that it's very easy to have too much power to the point that it is counterproductive.
I am going to try adding some filters or diffusers to the front of my non-adjustable units to see how that goes for close range stuff. When searching a building interior I've found that bouncing the IR beam off the ceiling is better than pointing it directly at what you are looking for. Obviously if you are worried about someone else finding you with their nods then that's not ideal. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:47:14 AM EDT
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As others have said the tlr-virii. Best at 12 o'clock so a down pull on the left toggle is spring loaded momentary but it's usable at other orientations. They're way more durable than they appear to be.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:57:59 AM EDT
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You can focus the TLRVIRII with this if you want to spend the extra cash. Plenty of videos on youtube to see how it looks.
https://darqindustries.com/collections/laser-aiming-devices/products/tlr-vir-ii-efl |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 8:59:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spork: I've been using a CQBL-1 with an M300V mounted to it for PCC use. A pressure switch that activates both at the same time is required for this. Same for me but dual switches. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:02:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ridgerunner9876]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sean124: I think the Streamlight VIR II is perfectly acceptable for a PCC and much less expensive. I have the one that is all IR, not sure if that is the model designation. It does a good job. You can switch from laser to light or both. Edit. Iirc. I'll have to dig it out and see. I remember a 3 position switch. They aren't cheap, when you can find them. I lucked into one on ebay for like 225. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:09:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AbsoluteLemur]
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I just use a DBAL A3 (not FP) along with an M300V on mine (10.5" barrel in 5.56).
M300V + IR laser only on low setting for interior/CQB, IR laser + illuminator on high setting for longer range targets, visible green laser + white light setting on M300V for use without NODs. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:14:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spork: I've been using a CQBL-1 with an M300V mounted to it for PCC use. A pressure switch that activates both at the same time is required for this. The mount is made by Unity but has been discontinued. I believe Echo Arms makes something similar now. I used to have this exact setup. This is the ECHO Arms mount, works well. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:25:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ridgerunner9876: I have the one that is all IR, not sure if that is the model designation. It does a good job. You can switch from laser to light or both. Edit. Iirc. I'll have to dig it out and see. I remember a 3 position switch. They aren't cheap, when you can find them. I lucked into one on ebay for like 225. Yours is probably the tlr2 eyesafe. Have a couple i got off ebay for cheap probably from the same seller. They're a lot more powerful than the tlr-virii and will accept the streamlight remote switches. Biggest downside to these imo is the lack of an off position like the tlr-virii. Wish someone would make a focus lense for them, but not having been that popular, it's unlikely. Seems like focused they have the power to punch out to a couple hundred yards. One of mine has a busted illuminator, but having been discontinued, idk if streamlight can fix it. 
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:36:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:43:25 AM EDT
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Here’s what I’ve tried on PCCs/PDWs
CQBL/M300V is expensive, bulky, requires tape switches and more rail real estate. But better illum both white/ir than other options and can be zero’d with vis laser. TLRVIR2 is cheaper, takes minimum rail space, does not require tape switches. No vis laser means you have to zero under NV which is a bit of a pain. Ir illum is super floody, but there is an aftermarket solution to make it better. XVL2 is an expensive option but has lots of nice features. Also floody IR illum and white light is meh (also true of the TLR ViR white light). If you like money more than you hate China, RovyVon makes a XVL2 knock ofdcalled the GL4pro. Havent really gotten to test mine much yet but initial impression is positive. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:43:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: Is Chinesium an option? https://www.rovyvon.com/products/rovyvon-gl4-pro-4-in-1-rail-mounted-light https://www.rovyvon.com/cdn/shop/files/1_3b58903e-b17d-4370-8d51-57e8f84544a8_533x.jpg?v=1707041196 You tried one? That looks pretty slick. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 9:54:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NCPatrolAR]
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For something like the Stribog Id go with a X400V (at 12 oclock) and an optic on a high mount. A close 2nd would be the VIR-II and while the focus bezel helps some.....it still isnt great. I'm currently using a Viridian HS-1 on my AP-5 and it is doing well. I need to add a Vampire head to my scout light but havent gotten around to it.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:04:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Borscht]
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Vir ii is flood-y stock, good for rooms and pistol distances and the villian(?) illuminator focus thing allows you to put a hot spot out to 100yards, but makes it a little tougher to pick out the laser in the illum. I need some more night time shooting with it.
I think it would be a good choice for a pdw. Couple pics:  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached Fileeta: this was posted in the NV forum a little bit ago. No idea if it's good, but I added it to my Amazon list. https://a.co/d/coyJX6R $80  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:06:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scoobysmak: I just wish I could get the Mil/police version of the XVL2 Use code ALLTHELUMENS |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:09:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Here’s what I’ve tried on PCCs/PDWs CQBL/M300V is expensive, bulky, requires tape switches and more rail real estate. But better illum both white/ir than other options and can be zero’d with vis laser. TLRVIR2 is cheaper, takes minimum rail space, does not require tape switches. No vis laser means you have to zero under NV which is a bit of a pain. Ir illum is super floody, but there is an aftermarket solution to make it better. XVL2 is an expensive option but has lots of nice features. Also floody IR illum and white light is meh (also true of the TLR ViR white light). If you like money more than you hate China, RovyVon makes a XVL2 knock ofdcalled the GL4pro. Havent really gotten to test mine much yet but initial impression is positive. Zero your red dot live fire. Stack your laser on your red dot under nods. Done. I've never zeroed IR live fire. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:18:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iwouldntknow: Zero your red dot live fire. Stack your laser on your red dot under nods. Done. I've never zeroed IR live fire. Do you use Infinity merging zero or at a set distance? |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:31:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Do you use Infinity merging zero or at a set distance? Rifle around 500. Pistol I think 50 |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:46:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spork: I've been using a CQBL-1 with an M300V mounted to it for PCC use. A pressure switch that activates both at the same time is required for this. The mount is made by Unity but has been discontinued. I believe Echo Arms makes something similar now. Yes to all of this. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:49:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: Is Chinesium an option? https://www.rovyvon.com/products/rovyvon-gl4-pro-4-in-1-rail-mounted-light https://www.rovyvon.com/cdn/shop/files/1_3b58903e-b17d-4370-8d51-57e8f84544a8_533x.jpg?v=1707041196 Soloscud on IG gave these pretty good reviews. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:53:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Here’s what I’ve tried on PCCs/PDWs CQBL/M300V is expensive, bulky, requires tape switches and more rail real estate. But better illum both white/ir than other options and can be zero’d with vis laser. TLRVIR2 is cheaper, takes minimum rail space, does not require tape switches. No vis laser means you have to zero under NV which is a bit of a pain. Ir illum is super floody, but there is an aftermarket solution to make it better. XVL2 is an expensive option but has lots of nice features. Also floody IR illum and white light is meh (also true of the TLR ViR white light). If you like money more than you hate China, RovyVon makes a XVL2 knock ofdcalled the GL4pro. Havent really gotten to test mine much yet but initial impression is positive. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 74novaman: Here’s what I’ve tried on PCCs/PDWs CQBL/M300V is expensive, bulky, requires tape switches and more rail real estate. But better illum both white/ir than other options and can be zero’d with vis laser. TLRVIR2 is cheaper, takes minimum rail space, does not require tape switches. No vis laser means you have to zero under NV which is a bit of a pain. Ir illum is super floody, but there is an aftermarket solution to make it better. XVL2 is an expensive option but has lots of nice features. Also floody IR illum and white light is meh (also true of the TLR ViR white light). If you like money more than you hate China, RovyVon makes a XVL2 knock ofdcalled the GL4pro. Havent really gotten to test mine much yet but initial impression is positive. For the Zero under NODs….. just converge your IR laser with your RDS at the furthest point you can find (a distant treeline or whatever. Works great. Originally Posted By iwouldntknow: Originally Posted By 74novaman: Here’s what I’ve tried on PCCs/PDWs CQBL/M300V is expensive, bulky, requires tape switches and more rail real estate. But better illum both white/ir than other options and can be zero’d with vis laser. TLRVIR2 is cheaper, takes minimum rail space, does not require tape switches. No vis laser means you have to zero under NV which is a bit of a pain. Ir illum is super floody, but there is an aftermarket solution to make it better. XVL2 is an expensive option but has lots of nice features. Also floody IR illum and white light is meh (also true of the TLR ViR white light). If you like money more than you hate China, RovyVon makes a XVL2 knock ofdcalled the GL4pro. Havent really gotten to test mine much yet but initial impression is positive. Zero your red dot live fire. Stack your laser on your red dot under nods. Done. I've never zeroed IR live fire. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:55:52 AM EDT
[#29]
Where are y’all buying the Rovyvon GL4 Pro 4 from? Direct from manufacturer?
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:03:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lilMAC25]
[#30]
https://thehebrewhammer.net/2024/04/03/rovyvon-gl4-pro-review/
I used a T.REX Arms XVL2 holster for both pistols. The fit was a bit tight, I assume due to the lever, but it was fine otherwise. After testing the fit, I spent about five minutes with a heat gun to reshape the part of the holster that the reflector fits into, and this got me an even better fit. This was a pretty cheap and easy way to get going with this optic. https://www.vf1systems.com/post/review-rovyvon-gl4-pro-the-xvl2-clone This is Nick Chen (Soloscud) I believe. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:09:16 AM EDT
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 I use a 300V and a Steiner Tor mini. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:09:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: https://thehebrewhammer.net/2024/04/03/rovyvon-gl4-pro-review/ https://www.vf1systems.com/post/review-rovyvon-gl4-pro-the-xvl2-clone This is Nick Chen (Soloscud) I believe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: https://thehebrewhammer.net/2024/04/03/rovyvon-gl4-pro-review/ I used a T.REX Arms XVL2 holster for both pistols. The fit was a bit tight, I assume due to the lever, but it was fine otherwise. After testing the fit, I spent about five minutes with a heat gun to reshape the part of the holster that the reflector fits into, and this got me an even better fit. This was a pretty cheap and easy way to get going with this optic. https://www.vf1systems.com/post/review-rovyvon-gl4-pro-the-xvl2-clone This is Nick Chen (Soloscud) I believe. They have 2 newer units that have more power.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:14:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: Is Chinesium an option? https://www.rovyvon.com/products/rovyvon-gl4-pro-4-in-1-rail-mounted-light https://www.rovyvon.com/cdn/shop/files/1_3b58903e-b17d-4370-8d51-57e8f84544a8_533x.jpg?v=1707041196 Dude thats sick! |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:16:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: They have 2 newer units that have more power. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_3238_jpeg-3200268.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: https://thehebrewhammer.net/2024/04/03/rovyvon-gl4-pro-review/ I used a T.REX Arms XVL2 holster for both pistols. The fit was a bit tight, I assume due to the lever, but it was fine otherwise. After testing the fit, I spent about five minutes with a heat gun to reshape the part of the holster that the reflector fits into, and this got me an even better fit. This was a pretty cheap and easy way to get going with this optic. https://www.vf1systems.com/post/review-rovyvon-gl4-pro-the-xvl2-clone This is Nick Chen (Soloscud) I believe. They have 2 newer units that have more power. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_3238_jpeg-3200268.JPG Nice, but the price starts creeping up. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:22:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenMushroom: Yours is probably the tlr2 eyesafe. Have a couple i got off ebay for cheap probably from the same seller. They're a lot more powerful than the tlr-virii and will accept the streamlight remote switches. Biggest downside to these imo is the lack of an off position like the tlr-virii. Wish someone would make a focus lense for them, but not having been that popular, it's unlikely. Seems like focused they have the power to punch out to a couple hundred yards. One of mine has a busted illuminator, but having been discontinued, idk if streamlight can fix it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519824/20221007_103446-2653060.jpg Just checked. Yep, eyesafe. Sorry for the confusion. I was gonna get a flip lens cover for it but kind of decided to move away from emissions since everybody and their brother has some NV capability. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 11:27:46 AM EDT
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I run a TLR VIR II on my P226 MK25. I got the Sig over a Glock so I can crank it down. I didn't think a Glock would hold zero with a laser.
The white light is fine for pistol distances. The IR illuminator is nice, very broad and the right brightness. You don't actually want enormous IR illum at pistol distances because you might auto-gate your NV. The IR laser is adjustable. The one thing I don't like is the screw. Mine broke from overtightening, but it was also coming loose from undertightening. There seemed to be no middle ground. So after the screw snapped I replaced it with a 2-56 screw and nut with washers and a dab of superglue on the nut. |
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Posted: 4/28/2024 12:10:00 PM EDT
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I have TLR 2 on a couple guns, one rifle and one handgun. No regerts. Would buy again.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 12:13:04 PM EDT
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I have a NIB VIRii if anyone's nterested.
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Posted: 4/28/2024 12:43:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: Is Chinesium an option? https://www.rovyvon.com/products/rovyvon-gl4-pro-4-in-1-rail-mounted-light https://www.rovyvon.com/cdn/shop/files/1_3b58903e-b17d-4370-8d51-57e8f84544a8_533x.jpg?v=1707041196 I saw the picture first snd thought this was a Rovyvon thread
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Posted: 4/28/2024 1:18:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thesilvercord: They have 2 newer units that have more power. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/327183/IMG_3238_jpeg-3200268.JPG It looks like the basic model is $300, the XL is $500, and the FP is $800. My only gripe is that as the power levels increase, the laser pointer also gets more powerful and it doesn't seem like there's an option to select a lower power mode. Give me the FP illuminator with a 0.7 pointer. |
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