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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:53:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: That's crazy post.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HELOBRAVO: Originally Posted By macman37: I loved and miss them both. Love them to this day, honestly. 80s glam rock was fun and big, like the 80s. 90s grunge was the soundtrack of me becoming a man and building a life and career. both wonderful, both valid. That's crazy post. Okay, does “audio backdrop” work…? It was the music I jammed to while falling in love, getting married, building a career, buying a house and living life. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:54:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: It's a rip-off of Jimi Hendrix. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: Originally Posted By cayman_shen: Lol Yellow Ledbetter is a masterpiece. What are you on about sir?! It's a rip-off of Jimi Hendrix. They admitted that at the time. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:57:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: I saw a documentary on Damn Yankees 20 years ago on A&E. It was...interesting. One of the few true "super groups" ever and their music showed. Saw them at a Nugent "whiplash bash" at toledo sports arena a long time ago
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:58:09 AM EDT
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The optimism of 80’s New Wave and Hair Bands was replaced by the pessimism of Grunge.
Now, most everything is tainted with rap. Even country has succumbed. Corporate anything sucks. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: They admitted that at the time. To their credit, they not only admitted it, but embraced it, in a way that revealed that they actually *studied* music. I don't remember exactly how EV worded it at the time but they absolutely gave JH credit for his lyrical style. My wife is a music major with a BA and MA in music, and she teaches music to kids, and the longer I'm married to her, the more I recognize that I know diddly squat about actual music, and that isn't changing very fast, but I'm at least learning to appreciate that some musicians actually study their trade, they don't just sit around and get high and create hits. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: The optimism of 80’s New Wave and Hair Bands was replaced by the pessimism of Grunge. Now, most everything is tainted with rap. Even country has succumbed. Corporate anything sucks. Grunge was originally DIY like Hardcore. After SubPop, the corporate labels scrambled to find the latest Nirvana. I got my first copy of Bleach from Reptilian owner Chris X in 1987 along with some Melvins. Everyone I played that for was taken by it. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:04:35 PM EDT
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I was there.
Hair was getting stale real quick. Metallica and AC/DC tapes were wearing out and breaking. I tried to like grunge with very limited success. Way too much whiney/feely; even if everyone else was getting into it. Then this little gem dropped, and I knew music wasn’t dead yet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:06:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: The optimism of 80’s New Wave and Hair Bands was replaced by the pessimism of Grunge. Now, most everything is tainted with rap. Even country has succumbed. Corporate anything sucks.  Public Domain |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imminent_Decay: Yeah, not sure why people would trade the party atmosphere of 80's tunes for the grunge bands who were just perpetually depressed about being white and middle class. This. The '80s and its music were all about having fun, working hard and making bank, playing hard and hanging out with friends. The '90s started the whole "everything sucks" vibe that was perfected after 9/11. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: This. The '80s and its music were all about having fun, working hard and making bank, playing hard and hanging out with friends. The '90s started the whole "everything sucks" vibe that was perfected after 9/11. Don't think that wasp's harder/faster had anything to with that
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:22:48 PM EDT
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Meh. Music taste is always supposed to change.80’s music wasn’t horrible-definitely some talent there and some good songwriting - but I would say 80’s “hair metal” overall was pretty weak. “Grunge” just brought back interesting song writing (key changes, time signatures, etc).
If we want to talk about bad 90’s music, we should be talking about Ska. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:26:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lumpy196: I graduated high school in the 1980s. I don't understand people constantly pining over shit 80s music. A lot of the BritPop was utter trash. Not all 80s music was good. I wonder how much of the success of Garth Brooks was helped by people fleeing the stagnation of rock music. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:35:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OnlineAllTheTime: I should clarify I wasn't talking about OP or even anyone in this thread. Just a commentary on experiences I've had elsewhere with conversations like this. Oh I didn't take it that way at all.  People make fun of hair ballads, but let's be honest: women prefer more ballad-ish stuff and if you want to pack a stadium you might as well do something to attract women too. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:49:53 PM EDT
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Mother FUCKERS
I always hated grunge just because of the destruction of the best music ever |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 1:16:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Boomer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JellyBelly: I wonder how much of the success of Garth Brooks was helped by people fleeing the stagnation of rock music. I have thought something similar: That the massive increase in popularity of country music in general during the 1990s was a direct result of listeners fleeing the angsty, depressing heroin junky garbage that displaced rock in mainstream music. I know I was one of them. There wasn’t really anywhere else to go at the time. Of course it actually went retarded over time, too. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 1:22:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: We traded real men in gay clothes  Judas Priest - Painkiller |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 2:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By odiedodi: What about gay men in gay clothes?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM__lPTWThUI follow Rob Halford on Instagram. He's a pretty cool old dude. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:05:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Media_Noche: People were ready for a change. That’s just how it goes. Yep Grunge was good. Damn Yankees kinda sucked |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:17:02 PM EDT
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Grunge was awesome. Bands that were talented and worth a fuck survived the change and many are still around today.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:24:15 PM EDT
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I just want to know how we got the rap garbage we have now. Why do we virtually have no young white (or black) rock bands coming up that actually play instruments and sing and write music like from 1945 to 1995 ?
the entire hot 100 is total crap and has been. Note - I was a teenager in the 1970s |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:26:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: byron2112]
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Don't you guys think the "grunge" label was kinda largly convenient marketing? Yes Nirvana was a unique, raw sound... too me interesting initially, but didn't stand the test of time, just to obnoxiously "grungy"... then they just labeled every band remotely related to the Seattle music scene at the time grunge.
While maybe not as produced and familiarly formulaic as Van Halen or AC/DC etc most bands of the era mentioned were just a new breed of rock and roll. To my ear anyway.. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:37:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JVD: I'll take Alice in Chains over any 80s rock.  |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:33:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:13:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Element94: I just want to know how we got the rap garbage we have now. Why do we virtually have no young white (or black) rock bands coming up that actually play instruments and sing and write music like from 1945 to 1995 ? the entire hot 100 is total crap and has been. Note - I was a teenager in the 1970s Yout must have a very narrow and limited playlist. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:59:29 PM EDT
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Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like a lot of music from the 70's/80's/90's right into a lot of the music today. I didn't choose to close my mind and ears with age.
Also Peal Jam sucked. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:50:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By munsen: Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like a lot of music from the 70's/80's/90's right into a lot of the music today. I didn't choose to close my mind and ears with age. Also Peal Jam sucked. no way, spoonman was brilliant! |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:56:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GI-45]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Don't you guys think the "grunge" label was kinda largly convenient marketing? Yes Nirvana was a unique, raw sound... too me interesting initially, but didn't stand the test of time, just to obnoxiously "grungy"... then they just labeled every band remotely related to the Seattle music scene at the time grunge. While maybe not as produced and familiarly formulaic as Van Halen or AC/DC etc most bands of the era mentioned were just a new breed of rock and roll. To my ear anyway.. As I recall, the "grunge" label was fairly short-lived. It was folded into "alternative" by the mid-'90s, which encompassed everything from Pearl Jam to Alanis Morissette to Radiohead. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI-45: As I recall, the "grunge" label was fairly short-lived. It was folded into "alternative" by the mid-'90s, which encompassed everything from Pearl Jam to Alanis Morissette to Radiohead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GI-45: Originally Posted By byron2112: Don't you guys think the "grunge" label was kinda largly convenient marketing? Yes Nirvana was a unique, raw sound... too me interesting initially, but didn't stand the test of time, just to obnoxiously "grungy"... then they just labeled every band remotely related to the Seattle music scene at the time grunge. While maybe not as produced and familiarly formulaic as Van Halen or AC/DC etc most bands of the era mentioned were just a new breed of rock and roll. To my ear anyway.. As I recall, the "grunge" label was fairly short-lived. It was folded into "alternative" by the mid-'90s, which encompassed everything from Pearl Jam to Alanis Morissette to Radiohead. The big four “grunge” bands sound nothing alike. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: no way, spoonman was brilliant! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Originally Posted By munsen: Maybe I'm weird, but I actually like a lot of music from the 70's/80's/90's right into a lot of the music today. I didn't choose to close my mind and ears with age. Also Peal Jam sucked. no way, spoonman was brilliant! In case you aren't trolling me, Spoonman was Soundgarden, not Pearl Jam. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:58:47 AM EDT
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I have to give the nod to the '80s for having the best music because of the variety, but the '70s is chock full of good music, too. Real music with real instruments and real voices. Not sounds generated by computer and voices run through a filter to try and make them sound better.
Yes, there was some really good music made in the '90s, but signal-to-noise ratio got a lot worse then and has ever since. Interestingly, two of the best complete albums I've ever heard were made in 2000 and 2004, respectively:  |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:12:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: I have to give the nod to the '80s for having the best music because of the variety, but the '70s is chock full of good music, too. Real music with real instruments and real voices. Not sounds generated by computer and voices run through a filter to try and make them sound better. Yes, there was some really good music made in the '90s, but signal-to-noise ratio got a lot worse then and has ever since. Interestingly, two of the best complete albums I've ever heard were made in 2000 and 2004, respectively: https://assets.mmsrg.com/isr/166325/c1/-/ASSET_MMS_69627574/fee_786_587_png https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.iGImyfnQ5dZMjThg2MDGrgHaHa&pid=Api&P=0&h=220 pink floyd animals |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:53:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: I have to give the nod to the '80s for having the best music because of the variety, but the '70s is chock full of good music, too. Real music with real instruments and real voices. Not sounds generated by computer and voices run through a filter to try and make them sound better. Yessir.  Heart crazy on you |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:50:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: no way, spoonman was brilliant! Spoonman is Soundgarden / Chris Cornell |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 12:51:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triburst1: The big four “grunge” bands sound nothing alike. Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots Soundgarden Alice in Chains Pearl Jam Big 4? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 1:00:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tsg68]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Don't you guys think the "grunge" label was kinda largly convenient marketing? Yes Nirvana was a unique, raw sound... too me interesting initially, but didn't stand the test of time, just to obnoxiously "grungy"... then they just labeled every band remotely related to the Seattle music scene at the time grunge. While maybe not as produced and familiarly formulaic as Van Halen or AC/DC etc most bands of the era mentioned were just a new breed of rock and roll. To my ear anyway.. No, because plenty of bands from the grunge scene didn’t really make it big….Tad, Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, Dwarves, Melvins etc… Grunge blended classic rock, metal and punk/hardcore. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 5:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots Soundgarden Alice in Chains Pearl Jam Big 4? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By triburst1: The big four “grunge” bands sound nothing alike. Nirvana Stone Temple Pilots Soundgarden Alice in Chains Pearl Jam Big 4? The grunge scene was a Seattle thing originally. STP was a San Diego band and one of the many that got lumped in later. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 6:19:04 AM EDT
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My irrelevant comment is that popular music of the early 1990s was so bad (grunge, rap, hip hop) that I started listening to Rush Limbaugh on AM radio and became a conservative.
I call it the post-melodic Era. Carry on. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: I loved and miss them both. Love them to this day, honestly. 80s glam rock was fun and big, like the 80s. 90s grunge was the soundtrack of me becoming a man and building a life and career. both wonderful, both valid. 80s glam rock was the party 90s grunge rock was the hangover |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: We traded real men in gay clothes, for gay men in real clothes. You might have just nailed it. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MudEagle: It was going to happen regardless. The longevity of Pearl Jam’s career and the depth of their catalog validates that choice entirely. Ehhh... that I wouldn't so far as to agree with. TEN was a great album. Nothing from them since has come close (imho). |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:06:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JupiterMaximus: 80s glam rock was the party 90s grunge rock was the hangover Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JupiterMaximus: Originally Posted By macman37: I loved and miss them both. Love them to this day, honestly. 80s glam rock was fun and big, like the 80s. 90s grunge was the soundtrack of me becoming a man and building a life and career. both wonderful, both valid. 80s glam rock was the party 90s grunge rock was the hangover That’s not a bad assessment. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:06:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: The music business itself transformed, not so much the tastes. We are reaping the fruits of that transformation with mumble trap autotuned bullshit or fucking Taylor Swift being your only options. In what ways has it transformed? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:09:44 PM EDT
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Do you guys remember a band called Candlebox?
Their first album was fantastic, pretty bluesy... I think they turned into pumpkins shortly after. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:16:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tsg68: No, because plenty of bands from the grunge scene didn’t really make it big….Tad, Mother Love Bone, Mudhoney, Dwarves, Melvins etc… Grunge blended classic rock, metal and punk/hardcore. Not sure I’d lump Dwarves in there regardless if being on Sub Pop. They’re closer to Zeke than Mudhoney. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:51:43 PM EDT
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Glam rock was awethum
 
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:56:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Do you guys remember a band called Candlebox? Their first album was fantastic, pretty bluesy... I think they turned into pumpkins shortly after. You know that Far Behind was a tribute to Mother Love Bone’s lead singer, right?  CANDLEBOX - Far Behind (Official Video) |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:30:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: You know that Far Behind was a tribute to Mother Love Bone’s lead singer, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu3EuWg2qNIQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: Originally Posted By byron2112: Do you guys remember a band called Candlebox? Their first album was fantastic, pretty bluesy... I think they turned into pumpkins shortly after. You know that Far Behind was a tribute to Mother Love Bone’s lead singer, right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu3EuWg2qNInot specifically... it's been a long time but, I recall there was more than one tribute to the lead from Mother Love Bone... seems that he had alotta influence on the people in that scene.. a couple more from that Candlebox album.. these guys were great |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:31:34 PM EDT
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Grunge came about because people were sick of 80's hair band shit. There I said it.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:34:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike_nds]
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The singles soundtrack is still amazing
 Mother Love Bone - Chloe Dancer / Crown of Thorns |
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