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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:04:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: madmathew]
An attorney for the family of a Florida special operations airman who was shot and killed in his home by local police said Wednesday that officers responding to a reported disturbance may have entered the wrong apartment.
Senior Airman Roger Fortson, 23, who was assigned to the 4th Special Operations Squadron at Hurlburt Field, was alone in his apartment May 3 when police burst through the door and fatally shot him six times, according to Ben Crump, an attorney representing Fortson's family. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/05/08/family-of-florida-airman-shot-death-deputies-claims-police-went-wrong-apartment.html?ESRC=eb_240509.nl&utm_medium=email&utm_source=eb&utm_campaign=20240509 The Sheriff starts at 11 minutes into the video.  Okaloosa County, Florida Sheriff press conference on deadly Air Force Airman shooting |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:11:37 AM EDT
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IBTTBL
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:13:05 AM EDT
[#2]
Protected and served like a mother fucker
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:14:13 AM EDT
[#3]
Ooof
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:14:44 AM EDT
[#4]
If only the officers knew how to read an address....
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:14:58 AM EDT
[#5]
The sheriff's office recently came under scrutiny after one of its deputies resigned following an internal investigation last year of an incident in which he fired his weapon multiple times at a detained suspect after mistaking the sound of an acorn hitting the roof of his patrol vehicle as a gunshot Are these guys just functioning alcoholics or what? 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:15:01 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Protected and served like a mother fucker Coming soon: "We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong". |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:16:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Ben Crump?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:16:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:17:01 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By burnka871: Protected and served like a mother fucker  Attached File Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:18:09 AM EDT
[#10]
Wow this is the same dept the acorn shooter worked at...buncha clown shoes
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:18:46 AM EDT
[#11]
This is the same dept as the acorn?
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:20:15 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: This is the same dept as the acorn? Yep And think this is the double dupe |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:20:18 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistorySo if this was the wrong address, and the "witness" on the video call is correct, you are cool with this dude getting smoked in his home? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:20:22 AM EDT
[#14]
May have?
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USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:22:53 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? That is my hang up. On the surface the cops are jackasses of the highest order. Ben Crump makes me question that though. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:23:49 AM EDT
[#16]
I know GD won't like it, but it mentions he was on a video chat.
Was he on the phone with someone and they were screaming at each other which included threats and it was perceived by the officers that there were two people inside of the apartment and they believed that someone was in danger? They make entry, gun vs gun, and shots fired. My hesitation is crump coupled with an "I can't breathe." Go ahead, pile on me. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:24:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattellis2: That is my hang up. On the surface the cops are jackasses of the highest order. Ben Crump makes me question that though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mattellis2: Originally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? That is my hang up. On the surface the cops are jackasses of the highest order. Ben Crump makes me question that though. This is kinda where I'm at. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:24:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kc-coyote]
[#18]
I see that the airman's family has hired the notorious race baiting attorney Ben Crump. That aside, why did Crump say they sheriff's department "may" have entered the wrong apartment, if they know in fact it was the wrong apartment....unless they don't and are seeing what will stick with the media. It's not the first time Crump has done this. The "may" part sounds like Crump isn't so sure. Definitely would like to see the body cams, to see what ACTUALLY went down, even if they had the actual correct apartment (i.e. the woman had just left, was via a "video call" etc.) or they actually had the wrong apartment to begin with.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:24:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By arowneragain: May have? Which means they did. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:27:36 AM EDT
[#20]
So - victim was on a video conference @430pm.
Knock on the door. "Who is it?" without a response. Victim arms himself. Cops make entry and victim gets drilled. According to the article, they didn't identify as LEO. Based on a disturbance call, they made entry without a warrant. Fuck that cop and RIP airman. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:28:45 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Undaunted: So - victim was on a video conference @430pm. Knock on the door. "Who is it?" without a response. Victim arms himself. Cops make entry and victim gets drilled. According to the article, they didn't identify as LEO. Based on a disturbance call, they made entry without a warrant. Fuck that cop and RIP airman. According to Ben Crump. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:29:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kc-coyote]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExtraHardTaco: Which means they did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ExtraHardTaco: Originally Posted By arowneragain: May have? Which means they did. According to who? The attorney representing the family (Ben Crump) is saying "may have" which doesn't sound confident. And you take Crump's word as the gospel? Hopefully the body cams will provide some actual insight as to what occurred. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:29:38 AM EDT
[#23]
Details aside, the fact that it is the acorn dept doesn't instill confidence.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:30:46 AM EDT
[#24]
Sadly nothing will happen to the cops who murdered that innocent man.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:31:17 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryM: If only the officers knew how to read an address.... It doesn't appear to be as simple as that. From the article, it sounds as there wasn't an apt# provided. They actually state in the article, "Don't have anything further than a male and female; it's all fourth party information from the front desk at the leasing office," If that is the case, then why the fuck is dispatch putting it out before having the information??? The dispatcher has just as much culpability as the dipshit officer who didn't respond when the Airman asked "who is it", after the officer knocked on the door. I didn't see if the officer busted into the apartment or if the airman opened the door. The system is failed at multiple levels, but the moral decay is the underlying reason for stupid shit like this. The dispatcher shouldn't have put it out without more information, or at least an apartment number. The cop shouldn't have played super-secret agent/swat by not announcing himself as law enforcement after knocking on the door. The airman shouldn't have opened the door (if he did) if someone knocks and doesn't announce themself. What a waste, and if the cop did fuck up, I hope they fry his ass in the chair, but I know that most likely won't happen. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:32:00 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? This. Can't believe any of it now. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:35:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: treelow]
[#27]
Ben Crump is involved?
Yeah, I’m gonna withhold any opinions until more info comes out. Crump’s word isn’t worth shit to me. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:36:01 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mtnpatriot: It doesn't appear to be as simple as that. From the article, it sounds as there wasn't an apt# provided. They actually state in the article, "Don't have anything further than a male and female; it's all fourth party information from the front desk at the leasing office," If that is the case, then why the fuck is dispatch putting it out before having the information??? The dispatcher has just as much culpability as the dipshit officer who didn't respond when the Airman asked "who is it", after the officer knocked on the door. I didn't see if the officer busted into the apartment or if the airman opened the door. The system is failed at multiple levels, but the moral decay is the underlying reason for stupid shit like this. The dispatcher shouldn't have put it out without more information, or at least an apartment number. The cop shouldn't have played super-secret agent/swat by not announcing himself as law enforcement after knocking on the door. The airman shouldn't have opened the door (if he did) if someone knocks and doesn't announce themself. What a waste, and if the cop did fuck up, I hope they fry his ass in the chair, but I know that most likely won't happen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mtnpatriot: Originally Posted By GaryM: If only the officers knew how to read an address.... It doesn't appear to be as simple as that. From the article, it sounds as there wasn't an apt# provided. They actually state in the article, "Don't have anything further than a male and female; it's all fourth party information from the front desk at the leasing office," If that is the case, then why the fuck is dispatch putting it out before having the information??? The dispatcher has just as much culpability as the dipshit officer who didn't respond when the Airman asked "who is it", after the officer knocked on the door. I didn't see if the officer busted into the apartment or if the airman opened the door. The system is failed at multiple levels, but the moral decay is the underlying reason for stupid shit like this. The dispatcher shouldn't have put it out without more information, or at least an apartment number. The cop shouldn't have played super-secret agent/swat by not announcing himself as law enforcement after knocking on the door. The airman shouldn't have opened the door (if he did) if someone knocks and doesn't announce themself. What a waste, and if the cop did fuck up, I hope they fry his ass in the chair, but I know that most likely won't happen. The dispatcher shouldn't have sent the job because they didn't have an apt #? How long have you been in law enforcement? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:37:37 AM EDT
[#29]
Between this and the acorn thing, how does that department get out of an insurance/department ending settlement and a consent decree?
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:37:45 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:37:59 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? Yes, race baiting lawyer saw a paycheck. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:42:44 AM EDT
[#32]
Was it or was it not the correct apartment? That makes a ton of difference. Sounds like it was not from the articles.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:43:47 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? Yeah I'm a lot more skeptical after reading that. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:44:43 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evil_Ryu: Are these guys just functioning alcoholics or what? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:45:33 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: The dispatcher shouldn't have sent the job because they didn't have an apt #? How long have you been in law enforcement? Of course there are calls without complete information going out daily, but there is also a due diligence to obtain the most applicable information as possible before putting it out. The dispatcher had the leasing manager ON THE PHONE. If she isn't able to determine first floor, second floor, third floor, or other basic details of the apartments she rents, and the renters she has on the leases, the dispatcher needs to obtain a different profession. The cop could have spoken with the leasing manager on-scene before walking aimlessly into the complex. There are a literal shit-ton of mitigating actions both the dispatcher and the responding officer could have taken but it appears they did not. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:46:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NCPatrolAR]
[#36]
what is this; thread 3-4 on this?
ETA #3, but one was locked yesterday. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:48:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Creatyre]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mtnpatriot: Of course there are calls without complete information going out daily, but there is also a due diligence to obtain the most applicable information as possible before putting it out. The dispatcher had the leasing manager ON THE PHONE. If she isn't able to determine first floor, second floor, third floor, or other basic details of the apartments she rents, and the renters she has on the leases, the dispatcher needs to obtain a different profession. The cop could have spoken with the leasing manager on-scene before walking aimlessly into the complex. There are a literal shit-ton of mitigating actions both the dispatcher and the responding officer could have taken but it appears they did not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mtnpatriot: Originally Posted By Creatyre: The dispatcher shouldn't have sent the job because they didn't have an apt #? How long have you been in law enforcement? Of course there are calls without complete information going out daily, but there is also a due diligence to obtain the most applicable information as possible before putting it out. The dispatcher had the leasing manager ON THE PHONE. If she isn't able to determine first floor, second floor, third floor, or other basic details of the apartments she rents, and the renters she has on the leases, the dispatcher needs to obtain a different profession. The cop could have spoken with the leasing manager on-scene before walking aimlessly into the complex. There are a literal shit-ton of mitigating actions both the dispatcher and the responding officer could have taken but it appears they did not. You're assuming they didn't do any of this. It mentions 4th party. I'm assuming the lease manager got a call from a most likely unidentified neighbor to the suspected dispute. Leasing manager says I don't know anything else, person didn't give me more information and I don't know who they are. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:48:43 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: Originally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. We have a dumbass lawyer speaking in generalities like "may have", and a department with a history of fuckups. I'm sure their investigation will be open and honest. I despise Crump, and despise that department even more. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:50:48 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? Yep. He was blabbering about it in a clip on the local news this morning. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:09:32 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: We have a dumbass lawyer speaking in generalities like "may have", and a department with a history of fuckups. I'm sure their investigation will be open and honest. I despise Crump, and despise that department even more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By jollyg83: Originally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. We have a dumbass lawyer speaking in generalities like "may have", and a department with a history of fuckups. I'm sure their investigation will be open and honest. I despise Crump, and despise that department even more. Crump in saying they entered the wrong apartment. especially considering the alarming witness statement that the police entered the wrong apartment," Crump said The family of the airman is saying they "may have". Police Who Shot Florida Airman 6 Times in His Home May Have Entered Wrong Apartment, Family Says |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:11:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evil_Ryu: Are these guys just functioning alcoholics or what? At this point I think that would be a vast improvement. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:12:44 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LCPL4ever: So if this was the wrong address, and the "witness" on the video call is correct, you are cool with this dude getting smoked in his home? Just be happy he didn’t put Go at the end of his post. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:25:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Coffin-Nail]
[#43]
Has Crump actually gotten any paydays? Anything relayed by him immediately casts doubt on the situation in my mind. It sounds terrible but I feel like either he is chasing the ambulance or low IQ greedy family recognized him by name only and sought him out.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:26:28 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Echd: Was it or was it not the correct apartment? That makes a ton of difference. Sounds like it was not from the articles. I don't think it matters much, if they opened (or broke) the door themselves, and if opening that door was a clear 4A violation. But, it seems we still don't really know WTF happened here, other than some 23 year old black Airman got offed in his own home and it seems related to his possessing a gun in his own home. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:29:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PepePewPew]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: You're assuming they didn't do any of this. It mentions 4th party. I'm assuming the lease manager got a call from a most likely unidentified neighbor to the suspected dispute. Leasing manager says I don't know anything else, person didn't give me more information and I don't know who they are. If I'm the leasing manager, I'm not calling the cops with that bullshit. The idiot who called me can call the cops themselves if they really care. If I'm the dispatcher, "we've got a probable bullshit call, can you take a walk around and see if anything's going on there?" If I'm the cops, walk, listen, "call cleared, no crime detected". |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:32:32 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? Yes. The local race baiter. Imagine the FLA version of Al Sharpton without the hair gel. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:34:21 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoomerShooter: Ooof |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:36:06 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jollyg83: Originally Posted By josepha1: Ben Crump? This. All creditability just went right out the window and for the record and I think the cops fucked up here. It’s a credibility crisis. Who to believe.. Acorn cops or Ben Crump… what a conundrum. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:36:52 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evil_Ryu: Are these guys just functioning alcoholics or what? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Evil_Ryu: The sheriff's office recently came under scrutiny after one of its deputies resigned following an internal investigation last year of an incident in which he fired his weapon multiple times at a detained suspect after mistaking the sound of an acorn hitting the roof of his patrol vehicle as a gunshot 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 10:38:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kc-coyote:According to who? The attorney representing the family (Ben Crump) is saying "may have" which doesn't sound confident. And you take Crump's word as the gospel? Hopefully the body cams will provide some actual insight as to what occurred. |
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