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Posted: 10/26/2023 11:19:20 AM EDT
I see placeholders for both 5 inch and 4.25 in 10 mm, 9mm, and 45 have gone up. Mags for 9mm have been on sale for a while. Pretty interested in how these turn out.
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Posted: 10/26/2023 11:41:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DVCER]
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Everyone is getting into the 2011 game. Cheap too, 1k.
I went prodigy a year back. My favorite range gun. I got ahold of the CMI 2011 mags when they were 50 bucks, flawless function in the prodigy, should work in the Girsan .  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/31/2023 9:41:07 PM EDT
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I think they are close to being released, a few on Gunbroker. I saw one on a Facebook page I follow.
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Posted: 11/1/2023 10:37:04 AM EDT
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I watched a review by sootch that measured the trigger at 7 pounds out of the box. Other than that I am looking at one fairly hard. Knowing I need a trigger job to start is less than ideal. I have only done one drop in trigger on a hellcat pro and springs on a Mossberg mc2c. I guess I'll be learning to do 1911 triggers now.
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Posted: 11/1/2023 10:44:24 AM EDT
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Really a “spring tune” might be the first step. I would guess them to be oversprung. Then a fluff and buff.
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Posted: 11/1/2023 11:05:11 AM EDT
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I'll buy a 10mm
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Posted: 11/1/2023 5:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: I watched a review by sootch that measured the trigger at 7 pounds out of the box. Other than that I am looking at one fairly hard. Knowing I need a trigger job to start is less than ideal. I have only done one drop in trigger on a hellcat pro and springs on a Mossberg mc2c. I guess I'll be learning to do 1911 triggers now. Depends on the price. 1911 triggers are usually easy to get into acceptable pull range with little more than sear spring tweaks. |
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Posted: 11/3/2023 7:32:37 AM EDT
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/3/2023 10:37:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, how is it? |
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Posted: 11/3/2023 10:41:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By makaveli: Well, how is it? Too early to really tell. I am only a bit north of 300 rounds fired. But it seems to want to run. General fit and finish is decent. Probably on par with stuff like the RIA Para clone. Interestingly the gun is 4.25" Commander appearance but is actually a Government Model with a chopped slide. It is a bushing gun with a one piece full guide rod. |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 9:09:25 AM EDT
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 I'm just over 400 rounds now. This is mostly ball but with a few LSWC reloads and JHP mixed in. I have not experienced any malfunctions yet. Mags used most of the time are Atlas which are simply outstanding. Probably easily worth the extra $20 or so over some of the other options. Speaking of mags--Gen 3 Staccato mags are too narrow at the mag catch slot to be caught by the EAA mag catch. I have an EGW on order to see if that has a bigger shelf. Other weird stuff about the gun. It uses an extractor with a funky diameter. It measures about .234" at the slot for the firing pin plate. It should be .270" or so at this location. Why Girsan is using a non-standard size here is anyone's guess. The light rail slots are not 1913. A TLR-1 needs the GL or TSW key to work. The rail is also a little taller than some other railed 2011s which may complicate holster selection. Hopefully the extractor is the only oddball thing as far as parts go. MJD Solutions has one of these guns on the way to see if his grip is compatible. Hopefully it will be and won't take more than very minor fitting to install. Oh. And the included mag well? Don't let the pics fool you. The EAA part is plastic. This obviously keeps weight and cost down but it isn't a machined aluminum part or anything like that. Happy Saturday, everyone. |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 2:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231103/81135f33e649cdcb2d0d31f7fe883705.jpg I'm just over 400 rounds now. This is mostly ball but with a few LSWC reloads and JHP mixed in. I have not experienced any malfunctions yet. Mags used most of the time are Atlas which are simply outstanding. Probably easily worth the extra $20 or so over some of the other options. Speaking of mags--Gen 3 Staccato mags are too narrow at the mag catch slot to be caught by the EAA mag catch. I have an EGW on order to see if that has a bigger shelf. Other weird stuff about the gun. It uses an extractor with a funky diameter. It measures about .234" at the slot for the firing pin plate. It should be .270" or so at this location. Why Girsan is using a non-standard size here is anyone's guess. The light rail slots are not 1913. A TLR-1 needs the GL or TSW key to work. The rail is also a little taller than some other railed 2011s which may complicate holster selection. Hopefully the extractor is the only oddball thing as far as parts go. MJD Solutions has one of these guns on the way to see if his grip is compatible. Hopefully it will be and won't take more than very minor fitting to install. Oh. And the included mag well? Don't let the pics fool you. The EAA part is plastic. This obviously keeps weight and cost down but it isn't a machined aluminum part or anything like that. Happy Saturday, everyone. Nice report. Now a few questions. Are you planning any upgrades to make it more serviceable or good as is? Is the trigger going to need work? A 7 pound trigger in a 1911 seems over the line. Anything else sticking out that you think could be brought up to speed? I'm not a huge tweaker and like ready to go out of the box pistols, but I understand sometimes a gun just might be a solid base to start with. Where would you put this? |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 3:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: I'm not a huge tweaker and like ready to go out of the box pistols, but I understand sometimes a gun just might be a solid base to start with. Where would you put this? The trigger is right at five pounds with a bit of overtravel. It isn't the best factory trigger I've ever felt but it is certainly usable as-is. I'm sure it could be easily lightened with some work to the sear spring or by replacing the Girsan spring with something else. Some home smiting is probably to be expected given the price and country of origin. With that said I'm surprised at how well the gun has worked so far. The big question now is how will the gun hold up? Is the metallurgy in the major parts decent? What about the small parts? I assume the 2311 stuff is on par with the Girsan 1911 stuff which seems to be doing okay from what little I've seen on the webs. Would I recommend this gun over a Prodigy? That's hard to say. At this point I'd say probably not. Not unless the extra $350 or whatever was just not do-able. But I'm not unhappy with the Girsan and look forward to seeing how it does over time. |
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Posted: 11/4/2023 4:42:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/5/2023 4:27:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20231103/81135f33e649cdcb2d0d31f7fe883705.jpg I'm just over 400 rounds now. This is mostly ball but with a few LSWC reloads and JHP mixed in. I have not experienced any malfunctions yet. Mags used most of the time are Atlas which are simply outstanding. Probably easily worth the extra $20 or so over some of the other options. Speaking of mags--Gen 3 Staccato mags are too narrow at the mag catch slot to be caught by the EAA mag catch. I have an EGW on order to see if that has a bigger shelf. Other weird stuff about the gun. It uses an extractor with a funky diameter. It measures about .234" at the slot for the firing pin plate. It should be .270" or so at this location. Why Girsan is using a non-standard size here is anyone's guess. The light rail slots are not 1913. A TLR-1 needs the GL or TSW key to work. The rail is also a little taller than some other railed 2011s which may complicate holster selection. Hopefully the extractor is the only oddball thing as far as parts go. MJD Solutions has one of these guns on the way to see if his grip is compatible. Hopefully it will be and won't take more than very minor fitting to install. Oh. And the included mag well? Don't let the pics fool you. The EAA part is plastic. This obviously keeps weight and cost down but it isn't a machined aluminum part or anything like that. Happy Saturday, everyone. Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: The trigger is right at five pounds with a bit of overtravel. It isn't the best factory trigger I've ever felt but it is certainly usable as-is. I'm sure it could be easily lightened with some work to the sear spring or by replacing the Girsan spring with something else. Some home smiting is probably to be expected given the price and country of origin. With that said I'm surprised at how well the gun has worked so far. The big question now is how will the gun hold up? Is the metallurgy in the major parts decent? What about the small parts? I assume the 2311 stuff is on par with the Girsan 1911 stuff which seems to be doing okay from what little I've seen on the webs. Would I recommend this gun over a Prodigy? That's hard to say. At this point I'd say probably not. Not unless the extra $350 or whatever was just not do-able. But I'm not unhappy with the Girsan and look forward to seeing how it does over time. Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: https://scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com/v/t1.15752-9/376558179_809413131193212_8903291343397788591_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p403x403&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=510075&_nc_ohc=B-jLm6OWRS4AX8C9Iru&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-2.cdninstagram.com&oh=03_AdQR6OTgy8nHK8iNY6H1Z_hD9C-p7Z4X4lbQHdClryEa3w&oe=656E2351 Awesome! Thank you for posting! |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 5:40:34 PM EDT
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I shot another 162 rounds this morning. Total now I'm putting at 550. It is actually a little more than this but 550 is a good round number.
I had my first stoppage today which was a failure to go into battery. The round was one of my reloads. It didn't appear to have anything wrong with it and it chambered and fired fine on the next go around. The gun is fun to shoot and is okay accuracy-wise. At 15 yards I'm getting probably 2.5" groups on average. |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 6:09:12 PM EDT
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Good report Mel.
You ever try a rollsizer? I’m considering one, but dang, $$$. |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 6:28:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Good report Mel. You ever try a rollsizer? I’m considering one, but dang, $$$. Nah. I guess the budget option would be that sizing die deal Lee sells. The Bulge Buster. But they don't make one for 9mm. |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 6:58:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Nah. I guess the budget option would be that sizing die deal Lee sells. The Bulge Buster. But they don't make one for 9mm. Ya know, I just shot a local match yesterday. Picked a lot of brass up and I never see any with obvious bulges. Played around with the Lee .002 undersize sizer when I was having issues with my prodigy. The problem was the thick paint on the rails. Went back to a standard size die with no problems yet. The rollsizer looks like a good thing, I’m not sure I need one though. |
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Posted: 11/5/2023 7:57:08 PM EDT
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Where’s the 10mm model?
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Posted: 11/5/2023 8:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Ya know, I just shot a local match yesterday. Picked a lot of brass up and I never see any with obvious bulges. Played around with the Lee .002 undersize sizer when I was having issues with my prodigy. The problem was the thick paint on the rails. Went back to a standard size die with no problems yet. The rollsizer looks like a good thing, I’m not sure I need one though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Nah. I guess the budget option would be that sizing die deal Lee sells. The Bulge Buster. But they don't make one for 9mm. Ya know, I just shot a local match yesterday. Picked a lot of brass up and I never see any with obvious bulges. Played around with the Lee .002 undersize sizer when I was having issues with my prodigy. The problem was the thick paint on the rails. Went back to a standard size die with no problems yet. The rollsizer looks like a good thing, I’m not sure I need one though. I had an oversized round today at a match  Bruised my palm trying to force it in before I just ejected it. |
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Posted: 11/6/2023 11:05:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Nah. I guess the budget option would be that sizing die deal Lee sells. The Bulge Buster. But they don't make one for 9mm. I quit reloading 9mm partially for that reason. Testing for bulge got annoying and is a step I just don't have to deal with in other calibers. 9mm is cheap enough as it is, so not a big deal. |
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Posted: 11/6/2023 11:18:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By devildog93: I quit reloading 9mm is cheap enough as it is, so not a big deal. Yeah. I already have the components and might as well use them up. Norma, Blazer and several others are priced to make reloads impractical. Unless loading a specific bullet and/or specific power factor. |
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Posted: 11/8/2023 7:26:39 PM EDT
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I put about 400 rounds through my Girsan today. The only issue was failures to lock open all the time with the Prodigy mags. Atlas continue to work great in this pistol. I haven't really taken a look at why but I assume it is the size/shape of the foot on the slide release that interfaces with the follower. Probably switching to an EGW or similar would be the cure. Or maybe replacing the DuraMag followers with Altas would do the trick?
Total rounds through the gun now is right around 950. The only stoppage I've had to date (not counting the mag issues) was the one failure to go into battery I had a few days ago. The gun has been fed JHP, LSWC, round nose and a few fangible. I have to say I'm pleasantly surprised with the pistol. It has worked better than I expected and I'm getting to like it a little more each time I shoot it. Once I've got 1500-2000 rounds through it I will give some thought to replacing some parts and changing a few minor things. Mostly just to make it more my own. As far as wear I'm not seeing anything alarming. The exterior painted surfaces are holding up well. The paint is rubbing off the guide rod and the frame rails but that's to be expected. The leading edge of the slide stop notch has a kind of bright shiny area. The actual notch and where it interfaces with the slide stop looks fine. The slide stop axle has just the one wear spot along its center. I guess the gun is running pretty much 100% on the link alone. Anyway, just wanted to pass on this info. Have a good evening. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 9:14:10 AM EDT
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I have 1,000 rounds fired now. Still no real issues with the gun. It continues to run fine to include checking extractor tension by firing with no magazine. The only issue I'm having now is finding a new battery tray screw for my EPS Carry which fell out yesterday.
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Posted: 11/11/2023 12:14:06 PM EDT
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I would guess Holosun would handle that for you...
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Posted: 11/11/2023 12:21:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dogtired: I would guess Holosun would handle that for you... I'm sure. I've got the battery cap taped in place for the time being. |
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Posted: 11/11/2023 12:28:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:41:56 PM EDT
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Uh oh!
I assume the mag issue is because internal dimensions inside the grip are off. Mags are loose which causes them to shift side to side and fall out. https://rumble.com/v3vusyy-1000-round-review-girsan-witness-2311.html |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Nah. I guess the budget option would be that sizing die deal Lee sells. The Bulge Buster. But they don't make one for 9mm. |
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Posted: 11/19/2023 10:50:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wildearp: The Lee FCD may be all you need. I have solved problems with 9mm and .45 reloads. I use the FCD. |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 6:30:17 PM EDT
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EAA is saying on socialist media that the 5" 9mm is shipping to distributors.
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Posted: 12/5/2023 8:03:25 PM EDT
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Good updates Melvin.
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:45:55 AM EDT
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I’m glad to see more companies getting into the 2011 game. It should drive prices down on mags. Tisas/MAC is going to announce a 2011 at SHOT. $1,000 MSRP means we should see around an $800 street price.
 Attached Filehttps://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Tisas-Double-Stack-2011-Style-/57-211207/ |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 8:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I’m glad to see more companies getting into the 2011 game. It should drive prices down on mags. Tisas/MAC is going to announce a 2011 at SHOT. $1,000 MSRP means we should see around an $800 street price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_3586_jpeg-3050869.JPG https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Tisas-Double-Stack-2011-Style-/57-211207/ The MAC entry looks like it will be pretty solid. Bull barrel and RMR cut should be welcomed by most potential buyers. Especially the RMR cut. The Girsan's K footprint is somewhat limiting. It is hard to tell from the pic above but it looks to me like the MAC version will have plates that are pretty similar to the Prodigy. Interesting that the MAC and Girsan are both aluminum. I like the idea of a slightly lighter pistol for general range use and carry. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 10:05:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: EAA is saying on socialist media that the 5" 9mm is shipping to distributors. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18199/Screenshot_2023-12-05_3_24_02_PM-3050471.png Which holster is that? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 10:17:20 AM EDT
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If imitation is a form of flattery, staccato must be flattered.
Seriously, glad to see more options out there. I toured the staccato factory when they were STI. Don’t know if assembly has changed, but the guy who was putting them together had multiple boxes of the same parts, in different sizes. Bbl links, slide stops and bbls. I didn’t see any hand fitting, but I didn’t see any of the lower assembly being done. |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 11:53:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MK318]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: If imitation is a form of flattery, staccato must be flattered. Seriously, glad to see more options out there. I toured the staccato factory when they were STI. Don’t know if assembly has changed, but the guy who was putting them together had multiple boxes of the same parts, in different sizes. Bbl links, slide stops and bbls. I didn’t see any hand fitting, but I didn’t see any of the lower assembly being done. Staccato is an imitation as well. The design goes all the way back to the 90s. What Staccato did do was market the 2011 really well.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 9:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I’m glad to see more companies getting into the 2011 game. It should drive prices down on mags. Tisas/MAC is going to announce a 2011 at SHOT. $1,000 MSRP means we should see around an $800 street price. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/557335/IMG_3586_jpeg-3050869.JPG https://www.ar15.com/forums/Handguns/Tisas-Double-Stack-2011-Style-/57-211207/ Good news. More competition is good. Looking forward to all of them and hopefully rational mag prices. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 11:00:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: Staccato is an imitation as well. The design goes all the way back to the 90s. Sort of. Not really. The STI brand changed hands a few times before being renamed as Staccato. https://www.trippresearchinc.com/about-us/ |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 4:33:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: Staccato is an imitation as well. The design goes all the way back to the 90s. What Staccato did do was market the 2011 really well. No, they pretty much did invent it. Staccato is STI and the S in STI is the guy who invented it. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/2011-vs-1911/#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20an%20engineer%20named,finalized%20in%20May%20of%201994. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 2:46:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigfugly: No, they pretty much did invent it. Staccato is STI and the S in STI is the guy who invented it. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/2011-vs-1911/#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20an%20engineer%20named,finalized%20in%20May%20of%201994. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigfugly: Originally Posted By MK318: Staccato is an imitation as well. The design goes all the way back to the 90s. What Staccato did do was market the 2011 really well. No, they pretty much did invent it. Staccato is STI and the S in STI is the guy who invented it. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/2011-vs-1911/#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20an%20engineer%20named,finalized%20in%20May%20of%201994. Staccato is STI the same way H&R is H&R PSA. They bought the company but they are not producing the same STI 2011 that were being produced in the 90s. Which is a good thing, the Staccato is much improved over the STI of old. Staccato took a game gun that required tinkering to make run marginally well to a gun that is reliable and suitable for duty use. That is what I mean when I say imitation. It’s not the original recipe. The product that EAA and now Tisas are bringing to the market are not the original recipe either since they are offering it in a much lighter aluminum frame. I believe staccato only offers one version in an aluminum frame currently. The aluminum frame is an improvement IMO. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 1:51:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ken_mays]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigfugly: No, they pretty much did invent it. Staccato is STI and the S in STI is the guy who invented it. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/2011-vs-1911/#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20an%20engineer%20named,finalized%20in%20May%20of%201994. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigfugly: Originally Posted By MK318: Staccato is an imitation as well. The design goes all the way back to the 90s. What Staccato did do was market the 2011 really well. No, they pretty much did invent it. Staccato is STI and the S in STI is the guy who invented it. https://www.targetbarn.com/broad-side/2011-vs-1911/#:~:text=In%201993%2C%20an%20engineer%20named,finalized%20in%20May%20of%201994. Not many people know that Chip McCormick is the one who pushed Virgil Tripp to come up with something that could take on the Para Ordnance double stack frame, which was eating everyone's lunch in IPSC at the time. Strayer was soon brought in and Strayer Tripp Int'l was formed. I was just doing some work on a 2011 frame marked Strayer Tripp on the dustcover. Those frames can last a hell of a long time. 
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Posted: 12/9/2023 9:31:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: Staccato is STI the same way H&R is H&R PSA. They bought the company but they are not producing the same STI 2011 that were being produced in the 90s. Which is a good thing, the Staccato is much improved over the STI of old. Staccato took a game gun that required tinkering to make run marginally well to a gun that is reliable and suitable for duty use. That is what I mean when I say imitation. It’s not the original recipe. The product that EAA and now Tisas are bringing to the market are not the original recipe either since they are offering it in a much lighter aluminum frame. I believe staccato only offers one version in an aluminum frame currently. The aluminum frame is an improvement IMO. C2 is Aluminum and you can get a P Aluminum. |
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Posted: 2/27/2024 8:46:18 PM EDT
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Aaron Cowan reviews the 5" gun on his Patreon page. He ran the gun through his usual 2K test which includes the four drop tests. He doesn't have any self-ejecting mag issues and the gun was quite accurate in his testing. The only thing he found odd was the fact that he kept getting ejection failures when running the gun with one hand only. He assumes this could be cured by playing with the recoil spring. I'd say that's a good guess.
Overall he likes the gun and thinks it is a good "gateway drug" into 2011s. I would say the MAC is the better value. I don't know if Aaron has seen/shot a MAC yet. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:25:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ken_mays: Not many people know that Chip McCormick is the one who pushed Virgil Tripp to come up with something that could take on the Para Ordnance double stack frame, which was eating everyone's lunch in IPSC at the time. Strayer was soon brought in and Strayer Tripp Int'l was formed. I was just doing some work on a 2011 frame marked Strayer Tripp on the dustcover. Those frames can last a hell of a long time. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/9714/IMG_7972-3061941.jpg Now that is a history lesson. Amazing that frame is still around, knowing the likely round count. |
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Posted: 2/28/2024 2:50:53 PM EDT
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A little over 400 rounds on a 9mm, 4.25" one I picked up a couple of weeks ago with no issues, mine came with the Derry red dot and it is actually not bad at all with fiber optic red dots in the rear sight.
My Staccato G3 mags work fine and vice versa, they look like the bodies come from the same manufacturer, to where I have to use my Staccato modified loading tool to load the Girsan mag. Trigger is pretty heavy but if you can overcome it prints very tight groups, disclaimer, I am not the greatest shot in the world either. Trying to decide if I want a 5" or a 10mm one next. 
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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:00:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Aaron Cowan reviews the 5" gun on his Patreon page. He ran the gun through his usual 2K test which includes the four drop tests. He doesn't have any self-ejecting mag issues and the gun was quite accurate in his testing. The only thing he found odd was the fact that he kept getting ejection failures when running the gun with one hand only. He assumes this could be cured by playing with the recoil spring. I'd say that's a good guess. Overall he likes the gun and thinks it is a good "gateway drug" into 2011s. I would say the MAC is the better value. I don't know if Aaron has seen/shot a MAC yet. I’m pretty dead set on a DWX, but if I don’t like it, I intend to try out the MAC. |
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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:11:46 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: I’m pretty dead set on a DWX, but if I don’t like it, I intend to try out the MAC. Cowan reports that he has a MAC and is working with it now. He should have the 2K round review shortly. |
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Posted: 3/2/2024 9:21:14 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Cowan reports that he has a MAC and is working with it now. He should have the 2K round review shortly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: I’m pretty dead set on a DWX, but if I don’t like it, I intend to try out the MAC. Cowan reports that he has a MAC and is working with it now. He should have the 2K round review shortly. Thx |
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Posted: 3/2/2024 12:20:45 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lilMAC25: Thx Having handled and shot both, the smart money is on the MAC. Nicer overall fit and finish. Aluminum vs plastic mag well. What should be a solid and more versatile optic mounting system and then QPQ nitride finish vs Cerakote on the Girsan. Also the MAC ships with two mags instead of just one that the Girsan comes with. The MAC is probably more a competitor to the Prodigy or maybe the LFA. Having not yet seen a Tisas I'd guess it is more a competitor to the Girsan. Both are probably a bit more "entry-level" in terms of both price and features. |
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