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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:41:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Gas 1 ton trucks are used by the ultimate upper middle class cosplayer for towing their camper 4 days a year I love living in such a wealthy country that this is even a thing. God bless America. 
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:41:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By konger: OP isn’t wrong. I see a lot of Toyota Tundras running around now pulling heavy equipment or trailers loaded down with lawn maintenance equipment. It seems reliability trumps a little more power and towing capability that’s never utilized. My 2020 Tundra on 37" tires drags around 8500+lbs of boat without much trouble. I had to add Firestone airbags in the rear to compensate for the soggy leaf springs, but it otherwise does just fine.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:05:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vinyl: The EPA turned diesel engines gay. This is the emission parts from a VW 2.0 TDI. This does not show the DEF tank, pump, heater, injector or related hoses and cooling lines that come from the rear of the car to the engine compartment. It also does not show the absolutely bonkers multi circuit coolant system that is prone to failure. Not my pic:  Attached FileMost of these cars will be mechanically totaled when this system goes bad. Along with the DEF production and distribution and lower fuel mileage, how in the hell can the net of this system and it's short life be better for the environment than a non-DEF Diesel engine. They are doing the same thing to tractors so you will not see a 2024 tractor pulling a float in a local festival in 50 years because those tractors will be scrapped as well. Pure insanity. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:11:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Agilt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snakesausage: This. This is the emission parts from a VW 2.0 TDI. This does not show the DEF tank, pump, heater, injector or related hoses and cooling lines that come from the rear of the car to the engine compartment. It also does not show the absolutely bonkers multi circuit coolant system that is prone to failure. Not my pic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337757/4D3CBA3B-31AD-4172-AB38-CCD693DD0EAC_jpe-3211477.JPG Most of these cars will be mechanically totaled when this system goes bad. Along with the DEF production and distribution and lower fuel mileage, how in the hell can the net of this system and it's short life be better for the environment than a non-DEF Diesel engine. They are doing the same thing to tractors so you will not see a 2024 tractor pulling a float in a local festival in 50 years because those tractors will be scrapped as well. Pure insanity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By snakesausage: Originally Posted By vinyl: The EPA turned diesel engines gay. This is the emission parts from a VW 2.0 TDI. This does not show the DEF tank, pump, heater, injector or related hoses and cooling lines that come from the rear of the car to the engine compartment. It also does not show the absolutely bonkers multi circuit coolant system that is prone to failure. Not my pic: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/337757/4D3CBA3B-31AD-4172-AB38-CCD693DD0EAC_jpe-3211477.JPG Most of these cars will be mechanically totaled when this system goes bad. Along with the DEF production and distribution and lower fuel mileage, how in the hell can the net of this system and it's short life be better for the environment than a non-DEF Diesel engine. They are doing the same thing to tractors so you will not see a 2024 tractor pulling a float in a local festival in 50 years because those tractors will be scrapped as well. Pure insanity. The perspective from the regulatory agency is all that matters. And their perspective is tailpipe emissions targets are the only important aspect. They give 0 fucks if your vehicle is mechanically totaled 5 years after its purchase, if it costs 15,000 dollars more to build, or if your operational costs double. The NOx and particulate numbers coming out went down, and that's all that matters. If the private sector wants to continue to exist, they will meet these targets. This is the result of unrestricted/open ended regulatory agencies. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:14:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Gas 1 ton trucks are used by the ultimate upper middle class cosplayer for towing their camper 4 days a year 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:17:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Badlatitude: I don't know a single farmer with a gas truck. They don't make red gasoline. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:23:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlocksareGood: Just bought a F250. Got. 7.3 gasser. $13k for the diesel to pay an extra $1/gallon and get the joy of having a shitload of emissions problems latter. Pass. Good job feds. You fucked up diesel trucks just like you fuck up everything else you touch. Of course they did, the democrats want to get rid of all types of combustible fuels. Cummins is planning for at least 20 more years of diesel over the road engines, but I don’t see that happening. A couple more dem presidential administrations and they’re regulated out of existence. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:26:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: That is another one I forgot about. ups and fedex used to be all diesel trucks back in the day. Now I have not seen a diesel box van/truck in I don't know how many years. I think they saw the light 20 years ago. When you run and maintain thousands of trucks, having cheaper fuel and repair bills really pays off. Who cares if the trucks struggle going up a steep hill a little. I am seeing more and more smaller delivery vans too. Stuff like those ford transit and whatnot. I see 2-3 of those to every standard box truck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: Originally Posted By whiskerz: UPS has been buying gas trucks for years now. That is another one I forgot about. ups and fedex used to be all diesel trucks back in the day. Now I have not seen a diesel box van/truck in I don't know how many years. I think they saw the light 20 years ago. When you run and maintain thousands of trucks, having cheaper fuel and repair bills really pays off. Who cares if the trucks struggle going up a steep hill a little. I am seeing more and more smaller delivery vans too. Stuff like those ford transit and whatnot. I see 2-3 of those to every standard box truck. Nah, a good majority of them were 300 six' that sounded like a rattling ass diesel. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:30:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: A mow and blow guy doesn't need a diesel to pull a landscape trailer, even with a couple of big zero turns on it. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:32:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: I work at a equipment dealership. We sell everything from residential to commercial mowers, compact to large AG tractors, and all equipment and attachment for said equipment. When I started 15 years ago, 99% of trucks used by the commercial mowing guys and the farmers were diesel. Now, I would say only about 1/4 of the trucks coming in are diesel. Most of the larger commercial guys have switched to the 4 door cab over trucks with gas engines. The rest are using 3/4 ton gas trucks. Farmers, more and more are running gas 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I'm seeing more dually chevy gas trucks than I ever have. They all say the same thing. Maintenance and REPAIRS on the new diesels are stupid expensive and they are sick of it. Also fuel costs. They say the gas may not pull quite as good, but it is a hell of a lot cheaper to run and repair. Seems people are getting sick of the emissions diesel engine. Same thing with tractors. Rarely anyone trades in a pre emission tractor, and when they do, it is usually sold fast. People see mileage differences and buy what they know. If they want more than 20 mpg they’ll buy gas. When they want to tow something they’ll want a diesel. Diesel is too complicated if you read online from guys who don’t own them. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:40:42 AM EDT
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Considered a gas 1 ton but ended up with another diesel.
Towing and performance on the new 7.3 from ford had me looking hard but at end of the day wasn’t enough to sway me. I completely understand running a fleet of gassers though and know a few companies who switched as well for same reasons |
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:48:51 AM EDT
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I suspect a gasoline true mild hybrid system (similar to locomotive) will likely be the future for applications where standard gasoline power train isnt enough.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:53:03 AM EDT
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I went from a pre emissions Duramax to a Ford 7.3. There is no way I want to deal with all the epa bs. I bought a pre dpf tractor too just to avoid future hassles.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:55:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By psychotr: They don't make red gasoline. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By psychotr: Originally Posted By Badlatitude: I don't know a single farmer with a gas truck. They don't make red gasoline. Back in the 1980s I worked for a farmer that still had a few gas tractors and a 300 gallon tank of untaxed farm gas. That has changed now. He can still get farm gas delivered, but the tax is paid up front and he has to do some paperwork come tax time to get it back. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:06:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: Had a couple guys talk about getting caught with their pants down with that. They let the def tank get low, then they could not find anywhere with any and then got stuck at derate with a max speed of 5 mph. One guy had the truck deleted after that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: Originally Posted By prebans: DEF is commonly available and goes a LONG way, although it is another gauge to watch. And if you run low or out and are between stations, you’re screwed. Had a couple guys talk about getting caught with their pants down with that. They let the def tank get low, then they could not find anywhere with any and then got stuck at derate with a max speed of 5 mph. One guy had the truck deleted after that. How does anyone run out of DEF when you can pick it up in bulk off Amazon? Keep a jug in the bed and never have an emergency. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:22:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: prebans]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: How does anyone run out of DEF when you can pick it up in bulk off Amazon? Keep a jug in the bed and never have an emergency. @D_J Depends where you are when you run out, and if you even have cell signal out there. Agreed on the wisdom of keeping a spare jug. I wish we’d have some hard data about whether there’s any difference between the “premium” stuff versus normal or cheap stuff. 
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Posted: 5/11/2024 12:34:21 PM EDT
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I work on diesels and have driven them for 20 years or more, I will never own another "modern" diesel. I'll keep my 92 7.3idi when it's finished, but my next newer heavy truck will be a gasser
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:44:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: @D_J Depends where you are when you run out, and if you even have cell signal out there. Agreed on the wisdom of keeping a spare jug. I wish we’d have some hard data about whether there’s any difference between the “premium” stuff versus normal or cheap stuff. https://i.ibb.co/Xj4LPCS/IMG-0493.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: Originally Posted By D_J: How does anyone run out of DEF when you can pick it up in bulk off Amazon? Keep a jug in the bed and never have an emergency. @D_J Depends where you are when you run out, and if you even have cell signal out there. Agreed on the wisdom of keeping a spare jug. I wish we’d have some hard data about whether there’s any difference between the “premium” stuff versus normal or cheap stuff. https://i.ibb.co/Xj4LPCS/IMG-0493.jpg I guess so. I mean, my DEF warning light comes on when I have 500 miles of range so chances are, unless it comes on right after filling up I have nearly as much or more DEF range than diesel range. If I think I'm going somewhere that DEF might not be easily available at a fuel station or convenient store, I'll throw a jug in the bed. I buy bulk packs of 5 jugs at a time. I'm just struggling to see where DEF starvation could be a real thing unless other vehicles have a much smaller range when a warning light appears. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Gas 1 ton trucks are used by the ultimate upper middle class cosplayer for towing their camper 4 days a year I've seen the same with diesel trucks. Young 20 somethings with a big jacked up quad cab diesel as a daily driver to their dead end job that does not require use of the truck. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:53:13 PM EDT
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My next truck will be a 7.3 tremor w/ 10-speed
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:59:19 PM EDT
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I am happy with my RAM 2500 HD, diesel. It pulls my 40 ft RV over the western continental divide with ease.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:00:58 PM EDT
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In this thread we see people who don’t own diesels
Maintenance? Mines deleted. Ac delco oil filter costs me 15 bucks 2.5 gallon of rotella t5 costs me 50 bucks on sale at tsc (only time I buy it) Takes me 15 minutes to change. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AttachedFile: I've seen the same with diesel trucks. Young 20 somethings with a big jacked up quad cab diesel as a daily driver to their dead end job that does not require use of the truck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AttachedFile: Originally Posted By wakeboarder: Gas 1 ton trucks are used by the ultimate upper middle class cosplayer for towing their camper 4 days a year I've seen the same with diesel trucks. Young 20 somethings with a big jacked up quad cab diesel as a daily driver to their dead end job that does not require use of the truck. No different than a bunch of old guys with corvettes that only come out Sunday mornings for coffee and 45mph. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:03:46 PM EDT
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I just bought a 3/4 ton gasser yesterday.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:04:24 PM EDT
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We got rid of all on road diesel and switched out tanks to off road only. The diesel trucks are for white sunglass wearing kids now. The EPA/gov destroyed another good thing.
We could have such awesome stuff but big gov fucked us all. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:13:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vinyl: The EPA turned diesel engines gay. EPA people ride bicycles to work, this is their revenge for being coal-rolled. and they drive Teslas. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ras_al_ghul: I suspect a gasoline true mild hybrid system (similar to locomotive) will likely be the future for applications where standard gasoline power train isnt enough. I think Ram is doing one of those now. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:33:44 PM EDT
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My 1500 gas engine makes over 700ft/lb of torque with a pulley change, the tune for that pulley, and e85.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 5:34:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zak406: In this thread we see people who don’t own diesels Maintenance? Mines deleted. Ac delco oil filter costs me 15 bucks 2.5 gallon of rotella t5 costs me 50 bucks on sale at tsc (only time I buy it) Takes me 15 minutes to change. I was thinking the same I get 17-18mpg in my diesel. I get 11.6 in my gas truck. The extra power and fuel economy on demand makes the diesel a no brainer to me. But I guess there is a reason why both are available. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:07:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zak406]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamatitan: I was thinking the same I get 17-18mpg in my diesel. I get 11.6 in my gas truck. The extra power and fuel economy on demand makes the diesel a no brainer to me. But I guess there is a reason why both are available. Agreed I replaced my 2001 gmc 2500 6.0 vortec with this 2014 Chevy 2500 duramax. In the gmc I got 10 miles to the gallon. That was it. With the diramax in the summer I average 15-16 not great but 5-6 more mpg. Worst case of I am losing money it’s not much. Plus I should have some extra resale out of the diesel. My next truck willl either be a 3.0 mini duramax (my buddy is getting 28-30 mpg highway in pa) or a 6.7 power stroke. Lastly I don’t know anyone other than my immediate family who keeps cars any longer than 5 years. 99% of time people go from warranty to warranty. So in reality the emission system is a moot point. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:16:54 PM EDT
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Bigger than just 1 ton.
Our shop support truck for a fleet of commercial vehicles running 11L Cummins diesels is built on a ram 5500 chassis with a gas engine. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zak406: Agreed I replaced my 2001 gmc 2500 6.0 vortec with this 2014 Chevy 2500 duramax. In the gmc I got 10 miles to the gallon. That was it. With the diramax in the summer I average 15-16 not great but 5-6 more mpg. Worst case of I am losing money it's not much. Plus I should have some extra resale out of the diesel. My next truck willl either be a 3.0 mini duramax (my buddy is getting 28-30 mpg highway in pa) or a 6.7 power stroke. Lastly I don't know anyone other than my immediate family who keeps cars any longer than 5 years. 99% of time people go from warranty to warranty. So in reality the emission system is a moot point. Diesels get better mileage, but factor in the higher fuel cost and it doesn't come out any cheaper most of the time. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:26:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AnthonyRSS: We have a Ram dually at work with the 6.4 and it runs better than any truck that size has a right to. I wish they’d put the 6.4 in the 1500. I've got the 6.4 in my Ram, pulls great. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:32:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: I work at a equipment dealership. We sell everything from residential to commercial mowers, compact to large AG tractors, and all equipment and attachment for said equipment. When I started 15 years ago, 99% of trucks used by the commercial mowing guys and the farmers were diesel. Now, I would say only about 1/4 of the trucks coming in are diesel. Most of the larger commercial guys have switched to the 4 door cab over trucks with gas engines. The rest are using 3/4 ton gas trucks. Farmers, more and more are running gas 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. I'm seeing more dually chevy gas trucks than I ever have. They all say the same thing. Maintenance and REPAIRS on the new diesels are stupid expensive and they are sick of it. Also fuel costs. They say the gas may not pull quite as good, but it is a hell of a lot cheaper to run and repair. Seems people are getting sick of the emissions diesel engine. Same thing with tractors. Rarely anyone trades in a pre emission tractor, and when they do, it is usually sold fast. So, the plan is working then |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 6:37:14 PM EDT
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I have a 3/4 ton gasser for reasons stated above. Diesel is sweet if you tow every day but the cost to play is higher than I want to spend. Next truck will also be a gasser.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:23:49 PM EDT
[#36]
2500HD gasser owner, checking in.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:41:28 PM EDT
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Gas is cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain and has lower maintenance cost . It also has less downtime
It doesn’t make much sense until you hit medium duty range With that said I have a few light duty powerstrokes, and just ordered a new one for myself But all my work trucks I buy gas |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:42:55 PM EDT
[#38]
DEF
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:54:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: @D_J Depends where you are when you run out, and if you even have cell signal out there. Agreed on the wisdom of keeping a spare jug. I wish we’d have some hard data about whether there’s any difference between the “premium” stuff versus normal or cheap stuff. https://i.ibb.co/Xj4LPCS/IMG-0493.jpg Co-worker put “premium DEF” in his Land Rover and it tripped an engine light. Dealer had to drain the premium shit out and put regular DEF in. I told this story on a VW TDI forum and they say all DEF is the same, and my story can’t be true. But i don’t see why my co-worker would make that up. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:56:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scalped]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wakeboarder: Gas 1 ton trucks are used by the ultimate upper middle class cosplayer for towing their camper 4 days a year To be fair though, I bought it when I was lower class 
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Posted: 5/11/2024 7:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dragracer_Art: My 2020 Tundra on 37" tires drags around 8500+lbs of boat without much trouble. I had to add Firestone airbags in the rear to compensate for the soggy leaf springs, but it otherwise does just fine. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/7187/1000009929_jpg-3211463.JPG That thing looks like it can float... and I aint talking about the boat lol |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By durtychemist: People see mileage differences and buy what they know. If they want more than 20 mpg they’ll buy gas. When they want to tow something they’ll want a diesel. Diesel is too complicated if you read online from guys who don’t own them. Say what? No sir, diesel trucks get FAR better fuel economy than gas — FAR better, especially so when towing. My 24 Sierra 6.6 gas gets like 11 mpg not towing anything. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:05:22 PM EDT
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It's not just in the light duty world. Gas and propane is becoming more common place in class 5-7 trucks, mainly things like the COE trucks like the Isuzu NPR/Hino S-series, mass transit buses and school buses.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walttx: I just bought a 3/4 ton gasser yesterday. Go on… |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:11:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By walttx: I just bought a 3/4 ton gasser yesterday. Go on… |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EdgecrusherXES: My 1500 gas engine makes over 700ft/lb of torque with a pulley change, the tune for that pulley, and e85. Details pls |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:21:13 PM EDT
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Sounds like everything is going according to plan from the elites.
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:23:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: EPA people ride bicycles to work, this is their revenge for being coal-rolled. and they drive Teslas. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rpoL98: Originally Posted By vinyl: The EPA turned diesel engines gay. EPA people ride bicycles to work, this is their revenge for being coal-rolled. and they drive Teslas. They don't drive Tesla, they hate Musk. They're driving Nissan Leaf, Kia or Hyundai's weird ass Blade Runner thing, etc. Kharn |
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:11:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By prebans: @D_J Depends where you are when you run out, and if you even have cell signal out there. Agreed on the wisdom of keeping a spare jug. I wish we’d have some hard data about whether there’s any difference between the “premium” stuff versus normal or cheap stuff. https://i.ibb.co/Xj4LPCS/IMG-0493.jpg Unless towing, a full tank of DEF should go about 4-7k miles. You're bound to pass a hardware store somewhere in that time I'd guess. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:29:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Badlatitude: I don't know a single farmer with a gas truck. Well, every farmer I know used gas trucks from the 70's through today. Can't speak for pre-70's. |
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