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Posted: 5/6/2024 8:33:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luny421: The mass and cross-sectional area of the Ti adapters is higher than that of a Ti baffle. It will be fine. Not only that, but the mount adapter is not getting blasted directly with hot gasses and particulates. It's only getting heated indirectly by contact from the barrel and suppressor. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:56:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fmkenner: Would I have enough room to run the Paladin brake with this adapter and my scythe ti? No sir. You need an XL adapter to run the Scythe with the Paladin brake. The paladin brake will touch your first blast baffle if you try and run this combo. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Magsz18: No sir. You need an XL adapter to run the Scythe with the Paladin brake. The paladin brake will touch your first blast baffle if you try and run this combo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Magsz18: Originally Posted By fmkenner: Would I have enough room to run the Paladin brake with this adapter and my scythe ti? No sir. You need an XL adapter to run the Scythe with the Paladin brake. The paladin brake will touch your first blast baffle if you try and run this combo. I'm glad you told me. I ordered 3 Ti adapters and pick up my scythe in the morning as it just got approved. I was going to buy all my muzzle devices, the paladin was going on all my 30 caliber rifles. That changes things. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:32:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fmkenner: I'm glad you told me. I ordered 3 Ti adapters and pick up my scythe in the morning as it just got approved. I was going to buy all my muzzle devices, the paladin was going on all my 30 caliber rifles. That changes things. I’d look for a Ti minimalist brake to get the lightest possible package. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:37:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dmk0210]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluedog82: I’d look for a Ti minimalist brake to get the lightest possible package. And the Hansohn Bros Ti endcap for the Scythe Ti trifecta. https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/front-caps/hansohn-titanium-front-cap/ |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:21:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: And the Hansohn Bros Ti endcap for the Scythe Ti trifecta. https://hansohnbrothers.com/shop/hansohn-brothers/accessories/front-caps/hansohn-titanium-front-cap/ I'm on the waiting list for the end cap. I think it was a guy named "Joker" that put me on the scythe ti. He had a nice lite setup, 8oz with end cap and mount. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluedog82: I’d look for a Ti minimalist brake to get the lightest possible package. You don't think the titanium brake might see too much heat? It's right at the end of the barrel. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:29:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fmkenner: You don't think the titanium brake might see too much heat? It's right at the end of the barrel. You could use the steel minimalist brake or the EZ brake. I use the Ti one on my bleedmore bolt gun, steel on ARs. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 9:54:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: You could use the steel minimalist brake or the EZ brake. I use the Ti one on my bleedmore bolt gun, steel on ARs. I was thinking the same thing. At the moment I have a bolt action in mind that would be a perfect fit. 300blk, 9.5" barrel, sbr. I do have a lite weight AR, 6.5 creedmoor with a carbon fiber barrel. Not sure I want to suppress that. It's extremely lite but a suppressor on the end would make it a spear. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:08:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fmkenner: Would I have enough room to run the Paladin brake with this adapter and my scythe ti? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:59:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: The Scythe Ti blast chamber is 1 5/8” deep, so like 1.675, maybe a c-hair less. Plan A from Griffin adds like .2”. Looks like you’d want a Plan A-L, but not necessarily an XL. I going to figure out another muzzle device, I have my mind set on using the ti mount. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fmkenner: I going to figure out another muzzle device, I have my mind set on using the ti mount. What kind of round count do you put on these guns? If you’re running them like a 5.56 carbine, then yes the Ti mount will probably wear eventually (it is a consumable though, technically). If using it like a DMR or PRS style rifle, the Ti would be fine I think. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:40:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KalmanPhilter]
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I’d expect the orifice plate on a titanium muzzle device (brake) to wear (flame erosion), but a mount that threads into the silencer tube and mounts in the muzzle device should be durable. Heat typically builds first at the blast baffle and moves forward. At least in any of the thermal imaging videos I’ve seen.
Ecco sells a bravo male to bravo female thread adapter that can add room for longer muzzle devices. Adds 3/4” and 1.6 ounces. At that cost&weight point for a little more cost the Griffin Plan A Long at just under 2 ounces is probably worth it if the 0.73” length added is sufficient. Stacking threads can get annoying even if they line up perfectly. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:31:30 PM EDT
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I have had the titanium single port brake from Griffin on my 11.5 for years. It has very minor erosion, but it's not bad.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: I have had the titanium single port brake from Griffin on my 11.5 for years. It has very minor erosion, but it's not bad. What kind of gun were you using it on? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: I have had the titanium single port brake from Griffin on my 11.5 for years. It has very minor erosion, but it's not bad. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:21:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: What kind of gun were you using it on? 5.56 AR. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:17:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fmkenner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: The Scythe Ti blast chamber is 1 5/8” deep, so like 1.675, maybe a c-hair less. Plan A from Griffin adds like .2”. Looks like you’d want a Plan A-L, but not necessarily an XL. I got to rethinking this. I really want to go with the Ti mount on the scythe but I could set it up where the 556 won't fit the 30 cans. ETA: I bought extra ti mounts. Probably should get another can so I don't have extra parts. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 6:54:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: 5.56 AR. Good to see it worked for that. I'd thought about buying one for a while. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 7:49:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmk0210: Good to see it worked for that. I'd thought about buying one for a while. Durability wise it works well. It is a very blasty brake though on a short barrel. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 12:29:20 PM EDT
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Got my Ti Plan A adapter in from Ecco. 1.2 oz vs 2.2 oz. for the Griffin version. I don't know if that's enough for me to upgrade all the ones I have, but it looks great and seems to be a high quality adapter.
Now for the moment AAC Ranger fans have been waiting for... Ecco has a much smaller lip than the Grffin one.  Fits perfectly on the Ranger Mini 7!!! 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 12:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: Got my Ti Plan A adapter in from Ecco. 1.2 oz vs 2.2 oz. for the Griffin version. I don't know if that's enough for me to upgrade all the ones I have, but it looks great and seems to be a high quality adapter. Now for the moment AAC Ranger fans have been waiting for... Ecco has a much smaller lip than the Grffin one. https://i.imgur.com/PbTCekb.jpeg Fits perfectly on the Ranger Mini 7!!! https://i.imgur.com/TtSeaxI.jpeg |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:14:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: @Amish_Bill One thing to note. The Hammer Comp is too long to work with the Ecco Ti and the Ranger 7 Mini. I know the EZ Brake fits, but no idea if any of the ones in-between those two fit. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 5:58:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: Got my Ti Plan A adapter in from Ecco. 1.2 oz vs 2.2 oz. for the Griffin version. I don't know if that's enough for me to upgrade all the ones I have, but it looks great and seems to be a high quality adapter. Now for the moment AAC Ranger fans have been waiting for... Ecco has a much smaller lip than the Grffin one. https://i.imgur.com/PbTCekb.jpeg Fits perfectly on the Ranger Mini 7!!! https://i.imgur.com/TtSeaxI.jpeg I’ve never seen raw adapters from Griffin, mine are all nitrided. Was there a limited run of those? |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:30:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Luny421: I’ve never seen raw adapters from Griffin, mine are all nitrided. Was there a limited run of those? Don't want to derail the thread too much, but I'm a new Griffin user. The H900 Treated option is on the website in the drop down. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:24:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Amish_Bill]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toker_: ... Now for the moment AAC Ranger fans have been waiting for... ... Fits perfectly on the Ranger Mini 7!!! https://i.imgur.com/TtSeaxI.jpeg Originally Posted By 1168RGR: @ Amish_Bill I may have to shuffle my MD situation around a little, but this looks good. I'm assuming the Ranger Mini and ranger 7 have their indent at the same place. Off to remeasure my can and start guestimating what brakes/hiders will fit in it like this. Hey ECCO - any chance one of these might accidentally get cut with the Griffin Long or XL program in your lathe? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: Hot DAMN!! I may have to shuffle my MD situation around a little, but this looks good. I'm assuming the Ranger Mini and ranger 7 have their indent at the same place. Off to remeasure my can and start guestimating what brakes/hiders will fit in it like this. Hey ECCO - any chance one of these might accidentally get cut with the Griffin Long or XL program in your lathe? I would be so interested in a Griffin Long or XL version. I just received 3 of this version and it's really nice, but I find out I might need a longer adapter for some stuff. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:15:51 AM EDT
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Ecco also sells a Hub extender for the purpose of fitting mounts into blast chambers.
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CT, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:00:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: I may have to shuffle my MD situation around a little, but this looks good. I'm assuming the Ranger Mini and ranger 7 have their indent at the same place. Off to remeasure my can and start guestimating what brakes/hiders will fit in it like this. It should be the same can other than length, but I'm not an expert. I'll measure where the Hammer Comp is hitting the can when I get back. That should give you a closer measurement of the compatible MD. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 4:35:26 AM EDT
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FWIW, on my Ranger 7, the distance from the face where a hub mount snugs down to the longest tip of the first baffle is 41.1mm. The longest taper mount I have is a Stealth at 67.4mm, so that leaves about 26.3mm to make up for, plus FH/BB gap. The Griffin XL Taper only seems to add 25-ish mm...
.. so, giving 41.1mm of space, minus about 5mm for the gap and adding 25 for the XL, my length limit is about 60mm/2.3". (assuming i get the XL modified) Can anyone give me the thickness of the external flange on the Ecco parts? For the moment, I'm going to guestimate 6mm, which leaves about 42mm/1.6" for a hider. SO... if I get this Ti HUB adapter, I can only use it with an EZ Brake or Minimalist brake on a Ranger 7. :-/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:04:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: FWIW, on my Ranger 7, the distance from the face where a hub mount snugs down to the longest tip of the first baffle is 41.1mm. The longest taper mount I have is a Stealth at 67.4mm, so that leaves about 26.3mm to make up for, plus FH/BB gap. The Griffin XL Taper only seems to add 25-ish mm... .. so, giving 41.1mm of space, minus about 5mm for the gap and adding 25 for the XL, my length limit is about 60mm/2.3". (assuming i get the XL modified) Can anyone give me the thickness of the external flange on the Ecco parts? For the moment, I'm going to guestimate 6mm, which leaves about 42mm/1.6" for a hider. SO... if I get this Ti HUB adapter, I can only use it with an EZ Brake or Minimalist brake on a Ranger 7. :-/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1168RGR: 0.21"/5.25mm Not too bad - my guess was within a mm.  Those extenders look interesting. Based on the pics, I think they will fit behind the hips of that Ranger 7. I'm not thrilled at the idea of adding 3/4" to an already kind'a heavy 6.75" can, but the freedom to use any taper mount with it can't be ignored. hmmm... The extension adds 3/4". From shoulder to the end of the XL skirt is 5/8". As long as the transition between inner and outer threads is no more than 1/8", this could work. Maybe. Oh Dang. Ranger 7 17.2oz, Griffin XL Taper 2.5oz, extension tube 0.8oz. It's hitting 20 oz not including muzzle device. :-/ All I'm asking for is a Free Lunch. It shouldn't be this complicated. :-) |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Amish_Bill: hmmm... The extension adds 3/4". From shoulder to the end of the XL skirt is 5/8". As long as the transition between inner and outer threads is no more than 1/8", this could work. All of our female Bravo threaded cans and parts are full thread to minimum .5" depth with a 1.32" bore ahead of it to minimum .67" depth. That is to accommodate adapters like the Plan A, ASR Bravo, etc. with a smooth flange ahead of the threads. As an aside, I'm much more apt to participate in these conversations if we can leave metric dimensioning out of them. Threads, OK, but all of our parts and pretty well all other other domestic cans & adapters are designed and dimensioned in decimal inch. I'm fluent in metric by necessity, but can't stand the system, won't even quote prints furnished with metric dimensions. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 10:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECCO_Machine: All of our female Bravo threaded cans and parts are full thread to minimum .5" depth with a 1.32" bore ahead of it to minimum .67" depth. That is to accommodate adapters like the Plan A, ASR Bravo, etc. with a smooth flange ahead of the threads. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECCO_Machine: All of our female Bravo threaded cans and parts are full thread to minimum .5" depth with a 1.32" bore ahead of it to minimum .67" depth. That is to accommodate adapters like the Plan A, ASR Bravo, etc. with a smooth flange ahead of the threads. As an aside, I'm much more apt to participate in these conversations if we can leave metric dimensioning out of them. Threads, OK, but all of our parts and pretty well all other other domestic cans & adapters are designed and dimensioned in decimal inch. I'm fluent in metric by necessity, but can't stand the system, won't even quote prints furnished with metric dimensions. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 1:38:23 PM EDT
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I thought exposed threads would carbon lock?
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Posted: 5/13/2024 3:46:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1168RGR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: I thought exposed threads would carbon lock? no. |
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