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Originally Posted By Bophades: Youre not supposed to use the speed bar with trims fully out. Especially on a performance wing. Especially at low altitude. Not 100% guaranteed death, but definitely a risky play. He knew better View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bophades: Originally Posted By FredMan: I've watched the video (or at least the first part) Can anyone explain exactly what caused the wing to collapse? Did he reduce the AoA to the point that the upper surface collapsed? Youre not supposed to use the speed bar with trims fully out. Especially on a performance wing. Especially at low altitude. Not 100% guaranteed death, but definitely a risky play. He knew better He also said he was pushing the upper end of the weight limit for that wing. He knowingly pushed every limit possible and missed one tiny detail. |
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Originally Posted By HangfiresGhost: And will continue to be painful until his death. Whoever quotes "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" is either inexperienced or full of shit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By HangfiresGhost: Originally Posted By wvfarrier: That seemed painful And will continue to be painful until his death. Whoever quotes "what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" is either inexperienced or full of shit. This is very true, I hope not, but I imagine he'll feel that crash every day. |
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: First part of video View Quote Ahh, yeah. If he had a knot somewhere in the lines, especially the C or Ds, that end up pulling a bit of brake. Brake with trims out is a big no-no. Tip steering is required. When I launch, I usually don't have my speed bar connected. I do it in flight, and I look up and visually check all of my lines, particularly the outboard lines closer to the wingtips. There was one time I had a tangle on one wingtip, but it wasn't too bad, so I held throttle, got a couple hundred feet of altitude and tried to get it undone. Some yanking on the brake and tip steering was helping, but what resolved it was pulling 'big ears' (pulling the leading edge lines going to both wingtips to force a partial collapse) and letting it pop back out got it fixed. If I had not been able to get it worked out, I would have circled back to the LZ and landed. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: He also said he was pushing the upper end of the weight limit for that wing. Β He knowingly pushed every limit possible and missed one tiny detail. View Quote He was still within the rated weight of that wing. He mentions that. Some people intentionally fly above the highest weight rating. The wing will be faster and spicier, but won't necessarily be dangerous. Depends on the wing. |
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Now she's making $15 an hour as a 'tard wrangler with a degree in women's studies... - tommytrauma
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Great detail about the cause IF you watch it.
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Originally Posted By FredMan: Iβve watched the video (or at least the first part) Can anyone explain exactly what caused the wing to collapse? Did he reduce the AoA to the point that the upper surface collapsed? View Quote He had a "tension knot" in his lines. A tension knot is when a line is twisted and fouling into other lines. Unfortunately, this happened in one of his rear most lines, the ones that are in charge of shaping the back of the wing. When he went full trimmers out, the wing was flying in full reflex mode. Then he added speedbar, which changes the agle of attack of the wing, ie. it makes the front of the wing dip down more. The tension knot had the effect of braking the back of the wing, pulling it down. So, instead of flying in full reflex with full speedbar, one side of his wing trailing edge was deformed, making the front of the wing roll forward and collapse. Unfortunately, he was only 80 ft. high when this happened, WAY TOO LOW to be flying full trimmers out an full speedbar on a new wing. He admits this mistake in his video. If he were higher, he would have either had time to have the wing start flying again, or he could have thrown his reserve. It basically was a freak accident and he is extremely lucky. He broke his pelvis, a few vertebrae in has back and some in his neck and also has a compound fracture of his arm. He has a long road to recovery, but he is a fighter. He was injured in while serving in Afghanistan while serving in the Army, and took up Paramotoring after he healed up. |
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Originally Posted By GDaawg: Dumbest thing I've seen all week. He "Almost" died doing what he loved. Β P.S.> If God indeed intended humans to fly why didn't he grant us wings? View Quote He granted us the ability to create wings and we ran (or flew) with it. It's a wonderful thing, but sometimes we get in over our heads. |
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Originally Posted By Sixgunner45: He had a "tension knot" in his lines. Β A tension knot is when a line is twisted and fouling into other lines. Unfortunately, this happened in one of his rear most lines, the ones that are in charge of shaping the back of the wing. Β When he went full trimmers out, the wing was flying in full reflex mode. Β Then he added speedbar, which changes the agle of attack of the wing, ie. Β it makes the front of the wing dip down more. Β The tension knot had the effect of braking the back of the wing, pulling it down. Β So, instead of flying in full reflex with full speedbar, one side of his wing trailing edge was deformed, making the front of the wing roll forward and collapse. Β Unfortunately, he was only 80 ft. high when this happened, WAY TOO LOW to be flying full trimmers out an full speedbar on a new wing. Β He admits this mistake in his video. Β If he were higher, he would have either had time to have the wing start flying again, or he could have thrown his reserve. Β It basically was a freak accident and he is extremely lucky. Β He broke his pelvis, a few vertebrae in has back and some in his neck and also has a compound fracture of his arm. Β He has a long road to recovery, but he is a fighter. Β He was injured in while serving in Afghanistan while serving in the Army, and took up Paramotoring after he healed up. View Quote Good input. |
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Originally Posted By STRIKE504: Originally Posted By Subpar: The way he screamed sounds exactly like me when I climax. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: They won't be training every day. Weather conditions have to be favorable. Call Austin Paramotor if you want to check it out. Bryan will take care of you! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: Originally Posted By sirensong: saw that video this morning, which motivated me to drive out to both austin-area paramotor schools today to see about training. no one was home at either, which i assume is due to the weather. They won't be training every day. Weather conditions have to be favorable. Call Austin Paramotor if you want to check it out. Bryan will take care of you! AP is where I went first. In pure TX fashion, it was nothing but a field and a windsock. I kind of knew I should have called first. |
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I donβt know much about this sport but it seems as if these wings fold at the mere mention of a slight breeze.
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Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM: I wonder if he wasn't worried about the stupid phone and selfie crap if he could have saved it and got it under control. View Quote I wondered about that, too. To paraphrase the Book of Proverbs, apparently self-absorption comes before a fall. Hope he fully heals and feels better soon! |
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Been flying PPG for about 8 years. Heβs a fucking idiot flying a new glider, with speedbar and trims out at 75 to 100 feet.
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I chuckled at the 17:37 mark when the man asked him if this is the first time it's happened too him! He must be a cat with 9 lives if he said no.
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Originally Posted By Sixgunner45: He had a "tension knot" in his lines. Β A tension knot is when a line is twisted and fouling into other lines. Unfortunately, this happened in one of his rear most lines, the ones that are in charge of shaping the back of the wing. Β When he went full trimmers out, the wing was flying in full reflex mode. Β Then he added speedbar, which changes the agle of attack of the wing, ie. Β it makes the front of the wing dip down more. Β The tension knot had the effect of braking the back of the wing, pulling it down. Β So, instead of flying in full reflex with full speedbar, one side of his wing trailing edge was deformed, making the front of the wing roll forward and collapse. Β Unfortunately, he was only 80 ft. high when this happened, WAY TOO LOW to be flying full trimmers out an full speedbar on a new wing. Β He admits this mistake in his video. Β If he were higher, he would have either had time to have the wing start flying again, or he could have thrown his reserve. Β It basically was a freak accident and he is extremely lucky. Β He broke his pelvis, a few vertebrae in has back and some in his neck and also has a compound fracture of his arm. Β He has a long road to recovery, but he is a fighter. Β He was injured in while serving in Afghanistan while serving in the Army, and took up Paramotoring after he healed up. View Quote Thank you for that explanation. |
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I've seen the term here "freak accident' a few times, That's not what this was.
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It's really hard to tell from the footage but it doesn't look like his vertical speed is what you'd expect from pure gravity. I think if he'd have gone straight down he'd be a lot worse?
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Originally Posted By Bophades: I've seen the term here "freak accident' a few times, That's not what this was. View Quote George Carlin's Freak Accident |
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Anybody see where the tension knot was?
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Originally Posted By Subpar: The way he screamed sounds exactly like me when I climax. View Quote Base jumper SMASHES into rocky beach in near fatal accident! |
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Always enjoy threads when actual experts chime in and help explaining things in layman's terms.
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I was seriously considering buying a paraglider . Maybe I will anyway
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: Sounds like a dumb fuck preflight and flight. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes You can't preflight every tangle in your lines. You'd sit there with your wing laid out on the ground arranging the lines for 3 hours every damn time, and that shit would get old. Most little twists and tangles get pulled out when you inflate the wing on launch. If you can't, you have to decide to abort the launch or commit and deal with it once you're off the ground. Often they are easy to deal with and a little yank yank on the lines can straighten them out. Preflight likely wouldn't have caught the issue. To think so is a bit ignorant of what it is that is flying. However, if he can SEE the tangle in the video, he should have been able to see it once he was off the ground. Like I mentioned before, I habitually look up and make sure my lines are fine and that the wing is properly inflated. If there are any tangles or cravats (line wrapped around part of the wing), often they can be dealt with after inflation while "taxiing". And like I mentioned, I had one that didn't prevent me from launching, but I had to deal with once in the air. If Anthony had looked up and checked his lines, he might have seen the tangle and either been able to work it out, or land and resolve it on the ground. Likely some complacency prevented that, and he hurt himself badly. We all get complacent at many of the things we do. This video is a lesson not to. Originally Posted By dropdbombnow: It's always "due to the weather". Paramotors have a very narrow window of weather that is safe to fly in. Even smaller for desired to fly in. Originally Posted By sirensong: AP is where I went first. Β In pure TX fashion, it was nothing but a field and a windsock. Β I kind of knew I should have called first. LOL yep. That's where I trained in 2017, and usually fly from. Though I'm building a house in Georgetown, I'll probably hit LZ's up that way more often. Originally Posted By Mazawakhan: I donβt know much about this sport but it seems as if these wings fold at the mere mention of a slight breeze. Most are capable of lifting hundreds of pounds and hold their shape quite strongly. Often it takes a lot to get a wing to deform or deflate. You're usually going to be doing some very extreme shit. SixGunner explained what happened to Anthony's wing in the video. That was not a "usual" situation. Trims out in "full reflex" (the shape of the wing) is usually very stable and resistant to collapse, but also more difficult to re-inflate if there is a collapse. Most of us won't be doing extreme shit that will ever put us at risk. I've never had a deflation that I didn't intentionally cause. Often flying a paramotor is only as dangerous as you make it. Originally Posted By Bophades: I've seen the term here "freak accident' a few times, Β That's not what this was. It was definitely not. It was a situation that the pilot didn't observe and didn't correct, which caused his wing to go into an unstable configuration and collapse. It was foreseeable. |
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Now she's making $15 an hour as a 'tard wrangler with a degree in women's studies... - tommytrauma
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"I've crashed my flying machine"
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Originally Posted By Matthew_Q: You can't preflight every tangle in your lines. You'd sit there with your wing laid out on the ground arranging the lines for 3 hours every damn time, and that shit would get old. Most little twists and tangles get pulled out when you inflate the wing on launch. If you can't, you have to decide to abort the launch or commit and deal with it once you're off the ground. Often they are easy to deal with and a little yank yank on the lines can straighten them out. Preflight likely wouldn't have caught the issue. To think so is a bit ignorant of what it is that is flying. View Quote My experience is skydiving and flying. Just because I do not know that a preflight would not catch that problem is irrelevant. If it was detectable once airborne and he did not check it then it was still a dumb fuck move on his part to not verify the proper status of his system before he went balls to the wall near the ground. |
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48 miles an hour baby OHH SHIT.
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Originally Posted By Esterhase: It's really hard to tell from the footage but it doesn't look like his vertical speed is what you'd expect from pure gravity. I think if he'd have gone straight down he'd be a lot worse? View Quote Yup, the canopy was still providing significant drag. Fortunately. |
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If he wasn't worried about his 15 fucking cameras and phone, maybe he would have paid better attention to more important things, like preflight inspection and flying the fucking thing.
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There's a guy that flies one of these here where I live. I see him flying over the Mississippi river. Quite foolish in my opinion.
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Subpar: The way he screamed sounds exactly like me when I climax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spjTqgabu04 Dude in the video sounded like a big ruminant cumming |
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Originally Posted By jdessell: There's a guy that flies one of these here where I live. I see him flying over the Mississippi river. Quite foolish in my opinion. View Quote Well, drowning is the biggest killer of paramotor pilots... but there are ways to mitigate that. I'd put flying a paramotor at lower danger than riding a motorcycle. Riding a motorcycle on public roads is quite foolish in my opinion, yet so many do it and don't die. |
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Originally Posted By RealityCheck0311: Skip to 3:45 to see the accident. In the first minute he explains what went wrong. He "got lucky" in the sense he didn't die. Did sustain a broken pelvis, back, neck, and severely crushed one arm. Again, skip to 3:45 if you only care about seeing the accident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-jyc2OYXsI View Quote π€’ Family friend ate it in FL several years back in a paraglider. I guess he died doing what he loved.π΅βπ« |
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