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Posted: 9/22/2004 10:33:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mike103]
Just picked up one of the 2-shot magazine extension tubes for my 1yr. old Remington 870. Only problem is the [new] follower will not push into the Remington mag tube, nor does it look like it will be able to function correctly as there are a pair of detents pushed into the mag tube at 0 and 180. Anyone else have this problem? Any quick fixes, or will the current mag tube have to be reworked/machined for me to be able to carry 2 more shells?
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This answer really needs to be tacked at the top because it gets asked every few weeks.
You will need to either drill out the detents and then smooth the holes with a dremel tool so that your follower moves freely through the tube OR You can use the dremel to just remove the raised portions of the detent. There are people that prefer each method. I have drilled out quite a few on the department and then smoothed out the holes and re-blued everything without any problems. Good luck whichever way you go. |
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That’s what I thought. I took one look at it last night and was like, “damn, I guess this isn’t bolt-on.” I might cut them, but then I’ll need to re-finish the bare metal somehow. I don’t like the prospect of having to re-finish.
I’m most likely going to make a flaring tool here at work and press the detents out. I figure I can make a ring to fit over the mag tube also so I don’t oval out the tube. Thanks though===== - |
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Depending on how much of a perfectionist you are, here is another method.
There are specific tools also available that are made for smoothing out tubes without any grinding or drilling. Check with someone who repairs musical instruments (brass) locally. They should either have a hydraulic tool or a set of stainless steel balls made to resize or smooth dents out of horns, saxes etc. This is a technique that has been used to straighten out many paintball marker barrels also. |
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SHIPSNIPE1 -
Luckily Im handy with the dremel and have access to a machine shop - I now have the extension on like a glove. Either way, i feel bad for the guy who buys this product - upon closer inspection of the package - i noticed "870" was handwritten on the label with a marker - as in - this tube will fit the 870, but you will need a gunsmith or specialty tools to install it |
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The dimples aren't a problem. Just drill them out on a drillpress and using a 1/4" bit. Use the Dremel to cleanup the burrs inside the mag tube.
BHP9 |
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That tube WILL fit an 870. The problem is with the Express model, not the extension. Non-Express 870's don't have the dimples. |
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Yup, thats exactly what I did to mine... actually I used an air grinder and a carbide bur, but its the same sort of thing... feeds ten... easily =x
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I used a Craftsman socket, sorry, don't remember the size, but it fits perfectly inside the mag tube. Hammered it down the tube and backed it out with a ratchet, and it pretty much flattens the dimple. Then clean up the inside of the tube with a dremel tool and no dimple, and no hole drilled in your mag tube.
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I dont suggest the socket idea... mainly because one didnt take it down far enough, and the other got stuck and forced me to buy a whole new shotgun, I was pissed.
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There is no such thing as too much power... at least not as far as firearms and cars go.
Some carry a 9mm, others a .40 or even a .45... so what if I prefer to carry .50ae? I mean seriously, what if a train tries to mug me? |
Dremel grind bit the dimples down. I had the same issue and it was a great solution.
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I used the drill press method, then deburred using Dremel tool. Finally smoothed everthing with fine grit emory cloth. I will test function today then re-blue area. The dimples exist right under the barrel band so I am not to worried about anything getting in the tube. This may be an issued if the shotgun is used extensively in dusty or wet areas. However, there are other places for dust and moisture to enter the mechanism. I dont think structural integrity is affected that much either. I will post more with a pic after function check today.
Thanks Mike |
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grind the dimples down from the inside, it doesnt even make a hole
never a problem on my 10 round tube |
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There is no such thing as too much power... at least not as far as firearms and cars go.
Some carry a 9mm, others a .40 or even a .45... so what if I prefer to carry .50ae? I mean seriously, what if a train tries to mug me? |
What did you use to blacken / re-blue the mag tube? I have heard people use the term "blue" but it appears Birchwood Casey makes bluing and aluminum black. I guess I coule just check it with a magnet.
Function fired shotgun today with new tube, worked fine. I even threaded the hole in the end of the tube to use my sling. Took my 12 year old daughter to range, first time firing a gun. She shot the Marlin .22 and the High Standard .22 pistol. She also fired my SA 1911 and loved it. Thanks for letting me go on. What a great day. R/ Mike |
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Spray matt black and that's it. It isn't visible since the barrel loop is around the dimples. Cheap and easy.
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Just get a sanding drum, and a dremmel. Put it on it's highest rpm, and sand the tits off the trum. It usualy does not even penetrate the outside if you are gentle. Also do a little ata time to avoid heat buildup. and stop when you think you are close to done. you will probably BE done at that point. Then test and enjoy.
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If you do like I did you don't have to paint it or anything and you'll get it nice and smooth outside. And.. It's damn easy to do.
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Dremmel with grinding bit. Paint eposed metal with high heat paint after.
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Drill out the dimples with the smallest feasible bit. Polish off any internal burrs. Dab on some cold blue if you are anal (mine were left in the white, and haven't rusted in 10 years, nor is the bare metal visible). The resultant holes are hidden/protected under the extension threads anyway, and are too small to cause any feeding problem, so long as they are properly deburred.
Anything else is unnecessary hassle. |
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The drilling and painting and bluing is a waste of time. Been there..done that...
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I like to use a magazine tube dent remover and a brass punch. The dent remover is tapered for easy insertion and has enough length to work with. The brass punch raises the dent without marring the finish. Brass marks are easily removed. I use this method at gunshow when I sell a magazine extention and it only takes minutes.
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dremel the sucker. I have done five in this manner
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If I'm not going to operate on my shotgun
and I don't want to spend the $$'s to take it to a 'smith. Won't a pocket full of shells do the same thing?? The way I see it (may be wrong) It takes two hands to operate an 870 -- functioning the pump or feeding shells into the mag -- the other hand on the trigger shooting down the lawye -- er... I mean the birds. I think I'll take '4+1', a pocket full of shells, and a ready pistol in the back pocket as opposed to a modified 870 that is "supposed to function" with a higher cap. mag. A bird hunt is one thing but when it REALLY matters I'll toss that EMPTY 870 and run w/ my .45... |
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I just installed a Choate extension on my 870 Magnum SP. Is this shotgun considered part of the Express family? The reason I ask is that my SP had the dimples and I had to dremel them out. Clint |
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Great tips guys... Just used the socket method to flatten the dimples a little bit and finished them off with a Dremmel. Worked like a charm and I can't wait to post some pictures of my lateset project. Thanks again.
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From Brownells.com
A little pricey, but if you want "the right tool", here it is. |
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Does it work for 870's? |
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Works for any 12 gauge mag tube.
(sorry about the delay - haven;t been over here in a while) |
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I tried the socket method, and managed to bulge the mag tube.
After resizing the tube, I used a round file, and it works fine. |
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If a topic is tagged for future reference should not at least the posted pictures work?
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that is nice...
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What brand extension clamp is that?
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Anybody had any problems with the magazine spring plug, I found that the dimples hold it down, into the tube. I was wondering how, if at all that impacted the new extension.
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I drilled my dimples out and then touched up the bare metal with some matte black paint and it looks good. I tried the socket but it didnt take the dimples out all the way. So I just drilled them.
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Pilot drilled with 9/64, Opened up to 3/16 with a Unibit. Snugged a 17mm snap-on deep well socket down the tube. Cleaned it up with a fine grit dremel drum. Clean the hades out of it, and it's good to GOOOOOO.
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The one that came with the Choate extension tube.
You need to remove the dimples... After the holes are drilled, use your dremel on a high speed (6) to remove any remaining detent and debur the holes (inside and outside!). Wipe the area clean with a damp rag and check the fit to ensure it will work, otherwise you will find yourself removing the tube again to finish grinding. |
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What BB said. I have done it to about a dozen 870's in the last 2 years. Alot of the guys in my department come to me for such mods on their shotguns and ARs. I'm no pro mind you but I got myself a nice shop in my garage and I build AR and mods 870s for a hobby. |
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First post on this site and would like to say that the info that I found in this forum was very helpful. I bought a 870 Express last week and used the socket technique with a brass hammer to smooth out the dimples and it work amazingly. Thanks for the help and I will post some of my pics in a few days.
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does this include 870's with the extension included from factory? my 870 comes with two round extension from rem, just curious. don't think i'll need to go any bigger anyway.
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No, dimples are only on the tube when the weapon did not come with a factory extension. (4 round tube with a mag cap that holds the barrel on)
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Yes, you will need to order the old style spring retaining clip. Check out this link, I have the same issue.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=1&t=220792
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Why in sam blazes did they ever put the dimples in the 870 to begin with?
Makes no sense. |
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Probably in an attempt to keep it a "sporting" arm... |
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The drill press method is easy and works. There is no need to re finish the holes. I have not had a problem yet. Secondly if done right it will work just fine. And shells in the gun are easyier to fire than shells in your pocket. Also use a side saddle for extra ammo. Pocket carry of spare ammo sucks. Pat |
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I tried the socket method and did not make much progress with it. I then tried the drill and dremmel method and it was easy and worked perfectly! Another vote for drill&dremmel.
Dan |
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JUST DID MINE CRAFTSMAN 17MM SOCKET . LITTLE OIL . LITTLE MUSCLE . PUT IT TOGATHER WORKS PERFECT.
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I also bulged the mag tube, especially around the threaded area on the end. How did you resize the tube? |
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